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OK all of you on the eastern side of U.S......It's looking like Hurricane Florence is really coming and it's expected to gear up into a "major hurricane"  which includes Cat 3, 4, or 5.  Hopefully slows down promptly when it makes landfall.  Doppler map is predicting [at this point- but it keeps changing, of course] landfull near Wilmington, NC.  CONE indicating possible storm tracks  is large.  The area of HURRICANE AFFECTS is larger still.   Anyone out there new to hurricane potential and necessary preps, holler out so we can fill you in! 

 

Stay safe, everyone.  Pray for my brother and his boats...lives on one up in D.C. area.  Pray for their farm/animals.  AND my niece is off on vacation...flying back into D.C. at the end of this week...  :unsure:  Um... 

 

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In other news, H. Olivia in the Pacific can't make up it's mind whether to run over Maui or Big Island as a strong [60-70 mph] Tropical Storm.  For sure, Big Island has not finished mopping up from the rain fall of the near miss H. Lane.  More water now will be awful for them and parts of Maui. 

 

Hmph, seems like WEATHER is the only topic I can focus on this season.  Either it's us FLOODING out or hurricanes threatening far off family members.  :pray: 

 

MtRider  ...keeping my eye on Doppler to East and West  :pc_coffee:

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What would be your favorite small appliances to have during hurricane or other type of losing utilities?  If you have at least a low-function generator but can't run the big appliances?

 

My choices:

Portable Ice Maker....keep stuff in ice chests cold...keep humans cold with iced drinks and ice packs.  :knary: 

Bread maker  :yum3:

Rice cooker.......can heat soups, etc too.  :cook: 

Battery chargers 

 

Ideas???  Esp. from the hurricane veterans....

 

MtRider  :pc_coffee:

 

 

 

 

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I keep s couple of small battery-powered fans, a pair of construction-site boom boxes that can recharge small items like phones and power our breathing machines  or internet router,  Kindles, (note the gap here where battery recharger should be--RIP battery charger),  battery lights, solar lights,  crank-operated radio, electric pressure cooker, gas stove as a last resort (it does heat up the house), gas cooker to use outside for coffee making and all, solar cookers and other non-electric items--should I count the solar clothes dryer? 

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Mine would be my:

Fan

Ice maker

Table top fridge

Hot Plate

Kindle charger

A small microwave would be nice 

 

I wish I had a bank of solar batteries charging up.

I need to look into bread makers.

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Ack...never thot of fans....in certain seasons, of course.  Electrical outages in winter would be awful ...generator might be busy powering the pellet stove.  

 

Ambergris.... what are:

7 hours ago, Ambergris said:

a pair of construction-site boom boxes that can recharge small items like phones and power our breathing machines  or internet router,

 

O2 consentraters for both my folks now....  they NEED a generator!  Mebbe talk to my brother about that ....soon.  They'd have to use the portable ones with batteries and stay plugged in to generator.  ....or go sit in the ER if they had power.

 

I don't have a generator but if I had gas, I have an adapter for the cig liter in my vehicle.  Adapts to A/C plug in.  [Need to figure out where I hid that!]

 

MtRider  ....I really need to purchase the above-mentioned ice-maker!  :rolleyes:  Been on my LIST for a while.

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I read an article recently that said you need to keep your portable generator at least 20 feet from the house and/or garage, and that you need to have battery operated (or at least battery back-up carbon-monoxide detectors)!

I remember thinking at the time that while that may be true from a safety perspective, it's not really very practical from an op-sec perspective. :hidingsmile:

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2009/10/safer-emergencies-give-your-power-generator-some-space

 

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I lived in MS during Katrina and was without power for a solid week.  I've been through a few others, but none as bad as Katrina (it was me, my husband, a 3 year old, 2 cats, & a dog for that one.) I'm in VA now close to NC and in evac zone D for Florence.  My husband works in zone A which has mandatory evac tomorrow morning.

 

We had a very old landline gas generator during Katrina that was whole house sized, but really only had enough juice to run the deep freezer.  The generator blew super hot exhaust, heated up the house and melted a hole in a garbage can located 15 ft. away from it.   I have no idea if a newer generator would have less heat issues.  If it does have heat issues similar to the older one that I had,  then the heat issue makes it not worth the op-sec issue to me and I'd rather go powerless.  I'm currently blessed with an RV (actual camping RV, not our house) and I'd rather have that than a generator.  

 

From experience, the best item you can have is a fan to make a swamp cooler and a gas stove to cook on.  The RV has microwave, gas oven, etc. and I can plug whatever into it.  It is parked about 5 feet from the house.  I have every appliance known to man including bread maker, mixer, electric griddle, etc.  I will not be using them if we lose power b/c they all add to heat problems (I will be turning on the RV fridge to get it cold before the storm hits so I can transfer cold items if needed.)   My biggest concern upon losing power will be the heat and losing my freezer.  Fast cooking food on the gas stovetop or cooking on a campfire with a Dutch oven well away from the house are my best options from experience.  Seriously, overheating was our biggest issue during Katrina.  It was in the 90s with high humidity, and we are looking at similar temperatures for Florence.   

 

Other appliances are just luxuries.  My favorite luxury is a solar powered lantern that can also be hand cranked to power.  It also has a USB port to charge anything that can be charged via USB-- like my cell phone.  I've used it while camping and as a test at the house a few times and it works great to recharge all our electronics.  The kids take turns cranking it.

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I never knew about the heat issue with generators. That is some serious heat! 

 

I've  been turned off of generators for quite sometime now because of the noise they make. Also the amount of gas they use. A solar generator sure would be nice to have.

 

Yep, drawing unwanted visitors to your doorstep would be worse than going without electricity for a couple of days, More than a couple of days and the gas would most likely be gone anyway. 

 

I wonder if there is such a thing that you could charge up from a generator then turn it off and use that in the house for small appliances. Then recharge it again? 

 

Praying for everyone in the path of this monster storm!

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Long time since you've posted, Euphrasyne!  :hi:    Sorry to hear your area will be affected by Florence.  Adding you to the list to pray for during Florence!  Please let us know afterwards that you're ok...and any survival tips from this experience.

 

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My brother in D.C. area has 2 boats - one he just got for a steal and spent 4 months repairing/fixing it and the other he's lived on for 6 yrs.  He doesn't know whether to snug up the lines tight for his boats....to prevent banging and smashing against the dock.  Or ...if the high tide, WIND, and even more rain causes the river to rise....it might sink his boats if the lines are tied too tight.  Could sink either way. 

 

Today at high tide, he waded thru knee-deep water ON his dock....couldn't even see it.  All looked like murky river water.  Reached up to begin up the ladder and slipped.  The force spun him around and slammed his back into his boat...dangling by one hand on the boat's railing.  Note that he's done this maneuver [even with bags of groceries like today] thousand times but he very nearly went for a swim.  Managed to get a toe hold and get back down onto the dock and try again.  Sheeeeesh! Even way up in northern VA, he'll have affects of Florence for sure!  Trying to leave his vehicles on high enough ground.  He's a LONG way from the ocean, btw.  Close to the middle of D.C.  Might wait it out in a hotel...if he can find one.  If he stays on the boat, he won't be able to get off until the weather is done.... :pray: 

 

AND in the Pacific...... H. Olivia down-graded to a Tropical Storm tonite.  Meaning it slowed it's wind speeds by merely 5 mph.  And it will cross over Hawaiian Islands.  Direct hit - most likely Maui County:  Islands of MAUI, Lanai, Molokai, Kohoolawe (uninhabited but archeological significance)......  The area where my family lives.... Peak Wind Forecast: 45-55 mph with gusts to 80 mph.  Peak Rainfall Amounts: Additional 8-12 inches, with locally higher amounts.  They're not near ocean so don't have storm surge...

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Quote from Maui Now:
Forecasters with the CPHC advise the public to resist the temptation to make comparisons between Hurricane Lane and Hurricane Olivia. “Although Lane was a stronger tropical cyclone near the islands, it did not bring direct core impacts to the state. In some areas, Olivia could bring significantly worse impacts than were felt by Lane,” CPHC forecasters said in their latest update.

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So I'm anxious again.  Prayer appreciated for my D.C. family and Maui family.  Brother's dd is traveling and won't be back til Sunday.  She's safe but the farm...caretaker hired for livestock care this week....

 

MtRider   :pray:

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The generator noise is tremendous.  Even the quiet ones are so loud that everyone is going to know you have it.  We could hear our old one 5 blocks away. It sounds even louder when the power is out and everything around you is quiet.  Some of the Rv attached ones are manageable, but the portable ones are crazy loud.   I haven't had the chance to see the solar ones in action, but I'd love to test one.

 

We have a 'battery' that you charge electrically.   It has electrical ports for regular plugs and will charge quite a few things.  It can also jumpstart  a vehicle and has a few other bells.  I can't remember what it is actually called, but we refer to it as the 'emergency car battery' because we always take it with us in the car for long trips.  I have plugged a crockpot into it while in the van and that works well.  I'm not sure what charge the battery holds, but it has enough juice to power my 14 year old, power draining laptop to show movies for about 4 hours before it gives out.    

 

My 15DD was a preemie and had several health issues.  We had a major power outage due to a neighbor's downed tree when she was about 2 and were going to be without power for several days.  The electrician who worked on us gave us a battery that plugged directly into our car lighter to charge.  It was the size of a large textbook, but was big enough to run her nebulizer and needed items for a few hours.  

 

Boats out at sea fare much better than boats on a dock.  Staying on a boat on a dock is asking to die.  They get broadsided and battered because they can't turn into the wind and they take the full brunt of the incoming weather while smashing against the dock.  The likelihood that the rope will snap and it will get pushed inland is very high if they are in a high wind zone.  The barges and casino boats  in MS during Katrina got pushed 6 miles inland.  The smaller boats washed further in.  Just the boats washing in alone was estimated in the billions for property damage.  My husband is a naval architect and he is currently at work in the evac zone dealing with any ships that couldn't sortie out.  Docked boats are considered the biggest risk for the base.  Please caution your brother against staying on his boat.  

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Got called 'in town' today for DH to adjust my dad.  He had a bad "kink" in it....probably from falling asleep in chairs all the time.  But we spent a lot of time watching TV coverage of the storms.  And cell phone call [while in town where there is cell towers] to DH's mom in VA Beach.  She's on the first floor of a senior mini-apartment residence.  I asked her if she had a good friend living on the THIRD floor!!!  She's been thru a hurricane on one of the larger/higher/closer barrier islands....and didn't like it at all.  She says her building is on "high ground".  

 

Tonite and into tomorrow is when much-reduced Olivia is passing right over our kids' heads, essentially.  The main danger for our kids/Grkids is rain----flooding down steeeep hills.  And losing power like Laihaina side did during H. Lane....with downed electric poles.  ....And losing business in their shop...again.  These storms have not been good for Hawaii's economy.
 
My brother took one of his boats out of the water today.  Good choice as long as winds do not get crazy.  The water issues were more worrisome.  His boats are not large enough to go out to sea.  Now he just has his home boat to worry about.  He's  FAR from ocean but with solid rain for the past week, high tide is already flooding them badly.  ....then comes any affects from H.Florence. 
 
He hitched a ride to his car via someone's canoe this morning.  Docks, parking lot completely under river water at high tide.  He's got his vehicles stashed on some high ground nearby.  LOL...we need to express ship him an inflatable dinghy.  He's been the head of this small boat club for many years.  He's fished other people's boats out of the water during winter and summer storms.  Drained and re-floated some.  Some got stove-in.  I think he has to option to dry dock this boat as well....  At high tide right now, he could nearly walk it up.  :rolleyes:  Dunno what he'll decide.  In this case...their "dry dock" might be flooded at high tide.  He can stay in the boat clubhouse too.  He's watching to see what H. Florence is going to do.
 
Prayers appreciated....again.
 
DD2 emailed to say she is quite tired of having 'weather' issues.  She's still hoping the Hawaiian 6-person canoe challenge can still be held this next weekend.  Teens paddle from Maui to Molokai.  Some rough water but they have an escort boat with every canoe. I think they change out paddlers too.  GrS will take part.  Both grsons are now into surfing ...but not until the water gets calmed down again.  Bet the professionals are out there.
 
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Thanks for the links, Midnight.  I enjoyed seeing the pics of Hawaii....  DD2 emailed to say it was pretty much a non-event in their area.  Road to Hana....lots of wiped out places.  But ...it IS the Road To Hana.  Rather infamous at any time.  lol  Some places got a LOT of rain in those extremely vertical hillsides.  The area it made landfall is remote and kinda 'off grid'.  Haven't heard reports from there.  Likely some stories to tell there....hope people are all alright.  The wind speed was way down but still, gusts can do weird things.  Tons of rain and floods are nasty.  More details will likely be coming tomorrow.....as people dig out of the mess.  Very likely power lines are down again in various places.  That too, was expected.  For a direct hit tho...or rather a glancing blow on the NW tip...I think they were spared what COULD have happened.....again.  :amen: 

 

MtRider    :pray: for those facing H.Flo..... 

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On 9/11/2018 at 9:28 AM, euphrasyne said:

I'm not sure what charge the battery holds, but it has enough juice to power my 14 year old, power draining laptop to show movies for about 4 hours before it gives out.    

 

Wow...that sounds like a valuable piece of equipment.  Do you have any idea where one could be purchased?  Do you plug it into wall outlet before the loss of electric to get it charged up?

 

MtRider  :pc_coffee:

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I might be wrong but this not the first hurricane in the area. 

They being wild and born there I imagine they know how to hunker down. 

There may be some lost because horses can also be stupid or rebellious.

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DH says the emergency battery came from an auto parts store sometime in 2012.  It has 4 AC power plugs, 2 USB power plugs, and 2 12V power plugs for DC.  It has jumper cables and a built in compressor for emergencies; there is enough power in it to jump the car or emergency fill the tire.  It has a regular plug and can charge at any electrical outlet. We usually charge it the night before a trip or bad weather at the house.  We use it several times a year and it still works great.  I've charged it in hotel rooms and in the RV when that was running off the gas.  

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Thanks, Euphrasyne!  It sounds very handy and versatile!  I'd like to look for one.

 

Yes, Twilight, that's what the full time caretakers of the wild horses said.  And that they might be too stressed if they attempted to trailer them to "rescue".  Putting a wild horse into a trailer....or any type of forced movement would be so traumatic for them.  Besides huge risk of injury for all involved during the process!!!!  I can see their point: Better chance with the storm. 

 

MtRider  :pray: for those in the path....

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:band2:  FLORENCE IS NOW A TROPICAL STORM.....  :band: 

 

Still a big dangerous system with a lot of water tho...

Wind speeds: 70 dropping to 60

Wind gusts: 85 dropping to 70

 

That's....well, better than Cat 1-2-3!  :amen:

 

The center is still just north of Myrtle Beach.  But ole Flo still has long arms reaching out to touch VA, NC as well as SC.  I see some spin-out reaching GA too.  Cloud formation reaching Savannah. 

 

Hike up your pant legs and hang onto your hats, folks.  Flo is only traveling 3 miles per hour.... aiiieee!

 

And what's with that LOW pressure system that's been anchored on the southern tip of TX for the past week or so???  It's been drowning Houston, etc and then sending that rain all the way NE.  ??? :scratchhead: 

https://weather.com/maps/currentusweather

 

MtRider :pray: 

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On 9/13/2018 at 3:39 PM, euphrasyne said:

DH says the emergency battery came from an auto parts store sometime in 2012.  It has 4 AC power plugs, 2 USB power plugs, and 2 12V power plugs for DC.  It has jumper cables and a built in compressor for emergencies; there is enough power in it to jump the car or emergency fill the tire.  It has a regular plug and can charge at any electrical outlet. We usually charge it the night before a trip or bad weather at the house.  We use it several times a year and it still works great.  I've charged it in hotel rooms and in the RV when that was running off the gas.  

 

We picked up some basic bigger emergency batteries that were clearanced for $50 each at Tractor Supply last year at the beginning of December.  Ours don't have the AC or DC plugs, but they can charge anything USB-powered and have connections to jump the car.  We have 1 for each vehicle, 1 for each of us, and bought each of our dads one for Christmas.  I'd love to get one that has an AC plug - hubby sleeps much better with a fan!

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