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  1. Betty, it looks like it's going to be a whole lot more than just two things. I wasn't expecting this response but I'm really excited to see it. Michelle, I had planned to start a different thread for each of the different topics. I'm going to start by getting a list of skills, both what you all have listed and some that I have. I'll post it in one thread and then if someone has info on a topic they can start a separate thread for that particular subject. I'll do the same with the food, shelter, water and etc. Some of the threads may be just handled in that particular thread but others may take several to handle the subject. We'll see how it goes. If by some chance we have two similar threads I'll combine them. We might have to play with it a bit but eventually we should have some really great info posted here. I hope to get the list of skills and etc up tomorrow. Thanks everyone for your offers of help on this. I WILL be taking you up on them. Angela, scroll back a couple of post to what I said about the two subjects.
  2. The feeling so mutual Westy. '
  3. Hang on to those thoughts everyone. I'm going to try to set this up so each section, skill, task whatever has it's own thread so people won't have to wade through a bunch of stuff they aren't interested in. I'm going to start with putting up several threads and you can jump into them. Once we get them all up we should have a nice bit of info all sorted into neat little packages (yeah right LOL)!!! Keep the IDEAS coming though. We'll try to work in as many as possible.
  4. Hey, I might resemble that remark!!!!!!
  5. I've been re-reading what I wrote and have discovered a small inconsistancy, okay, a big one. After taking a look at what DD has in her two freezers, (one big upright and a small chest) and taking inventory of what we have in our big commercial upright one I've decided there is no way just DH and I could can and dehydrate that in only three or four days. I have health issues that would make it almost impossible to accomplish that canning marathon and have been trying to reasses everything I do or would have to do if TSHTF. If the weather had turned very hot in those days of no electricity the window of oppertunity would be even smaller. If I had better health or DD and her son's (6 and 21) were here that would be an entirely different story as we have worked together enough to be able to set up a routine but DH and I, even if we did have the help of the 21 year old GS part of the time (he works but might not be working if the electricity was out) would never be able to do it alone in that short of a time. This has been a big wake up call. Thanks Mt_Rider. I needed that. Now the story changes. We would use the generator on the motor home to periodically run the freezers, all of them. I would probably remove the perishables from our DD's refrigerator and put them either in the freezer or in the motor home's gas refrigerator. With the extra gasoline we have stored that should buy us plenty of time for the week's outage and should that outage be longer we would then have more time to get things preserved. Our DD would be home in time to help with that. (hopefully) Phew, that's a relief. I have NO idea why I didn't think of that sooner. I'm sure that either I or DH would have thought of that if the situation were to occur because we've actually used the motor home generator a time or two before for the same thing but I was relying on a FORMER reality when I WOULD have been able to and DID do that and not the ACTUAL reality of NOW!!! I'ts one thing to THINK you know what you can do but another to actually be able to DO it at this time, right now. Okay, now I THINK I'm ready for the next UNreality Scenario. I'll try to be more attentive to my failings this time.
  6. Leah you are great at that, thanks for the offer. Quilty's, get your DH thinking more. Then get his ideas on HOW to do all this Quilty's and the others, would a discussion on how to handle a potential suicide victim be out of line? I believe that could be an important part of home health. We can bump any talk of euthanasia to the Edge if some still want to discuss it for their pets and such. We may be talking of some serious and even perhaps unsafe stuff here in these threads so please be prepared to sift through the info for it's place in your life.
  7. Nice and sunny today though a bit of a chill. We have baby chicks in the greenhouse under a heat lamp and DH brought in an orphaned gosling this morning. Plenty warm enough in there with the sun shining so won't worry until tonight when we will bring them in to be near the small wood stove in the living room. It will also take the chill from the house for me who tends to be either too hot or too cool. We always have several water buckets filled for flushing stools, for bathing, and for watering small critters if needed so that's taken care of for the day at least. Enough drinking water stored for at least four days and can fill more at the spring easily. We can heat water on the gas stove to use in the shower with our small battery operated solar pump hooked to a shower head. One bucket will easily afford a shower and shampoo. We have enough LP stored to last months for cooking. Worse comes to worse we can use the motor home shower with it's 12 volt pump, gas water heater and etc. I fix breakfast on the gas stove but could easily cook anything in the motor home, on an open fire, on the grill (charcoal) or on one of the wood stoves we have even though the cook stove is not set up in the kitchen yet. Either of the two wood cook stoves could be used in the garage with it vented out the big door. I also have camp stoves, newspaper cooker, insulated cookers and have the supplies necessary to set up a solar cooker though I haven't gotten it made yet. I even have a lantern that will heat a cup or two of water if needed. A great item for a late night tea or coffee. Our wind-up radio tells us "they" are working on the electricity but are not expecting it to be on for a day or so. Yeah right, I'll believe that when I see it, so I proceed to cover the freezers and refrigerators with heavy quilts, kept just for that purpose. Depending on the information recieved tomorrow I will dig out the already washed and ready canning jars to set up the process for canning those things that would spoil before then and can be canned. Things like frozen fruit, some vegetables, meat, and etc. Other things, such as other veggies and fruits, hash browns, frozen waffles and etc I will cut to put on my dehydrator trays to set out in the sun to start drying. Waffles and other bread products will be used in baking later. Some of the meat products will be dried also. We will eat the ice cream for lunch Okay, so we'll also start eating the foods that would spoil easily and cannot be processsed for storage. Most items will store at least four days in the freezer if the door is not opened often. We know it will keep longer in ours because we always fill empty areas with water that, frozen, will help hold foods longer. Most of our meat is in fairly large chunks which will help also. I will have several days of hard work if the electricity is off as long as they predict. The animals are no problem as they have the pond to go to but we will continue to fill the small pans for the young goslings so their parents can keep them closer to the house. The chickens have a big waterer or can just run free as they are used to doing. It's supposed to rain tomorrow night and that will give them puddles. We will set up the water barrels for catching the rain water when it does come. We haven't filled them this spring yet. I would have DH set up the wringer washer so that it could be filled with rain water also along with the double rinse tubs. I could then use it hooked to the generator to do laundry if the outage goes on too long or can use the water for other purposes. DH will finish the mowing and most likey take the car into town to check out the situation there and get a newspaper if there is one while I will call my Mom to see how she is fairing even though I know that she will be amply cared for by my Brother who is also prepared for extended electrical outage. (I'm assuming the vehicles and cell and regular (not portable) phones work as they do in other outages) Without the computer and thus Mrs. S I might actually get around to cleaning the pantry today so I can put things back in. I could turn on our 12 volt TV but I'm enjoying the quiet. We will turn it on later to catch the news if there is any station broadcasting. The oil lamps are already prepared and, with the 12 volt lights, will give us plenty of illumination for reading or whatever is needed. There is enough lamp oil stored for many months of use if we are frugal and the solar will recharge the battery back up system in the house whenever there is even the slightest sun. I have dozens of 12 volt apliances that can be used on the system including a small refrigerator. Tonight I will check through my menus for those that take little cooking and compare them to what's on hand that needs using first. It will most likely be an early night. Day one would be fairly easy but more physically taxing than normal. Day 2 and possibly 3 would be the same. Finding out that the electricity might be off for a week is disheartening but not disturbing. By day 4 DH and I would be canning and I'm sure it would take it's toll as we'd have to can the food in our DD's two freezers also. A lot of our meat is stored there also and they are in Minnesota for the week. DH would be hauling water to their animals, which we are caring for while they are gone, and that would be pretty taxing as they live a quarter mile away. Most likely our DGS and DD's best friend would be helping as they could between working. I would need to have water hauled and heated to wash more jars as I don't have enough prepared to can everything. I'm not sure I have enough period though I have a LOT. The dehydrator trays would have to be moved inside when it rains to keep the foods from redampening and would have to be kept out of the steamy kitchen. Kitchen would be a perfect place for the babies though. I would not can the bigger cuts of meat as long as they contained ice crystals, hoping for a return of electricity but as the freezer becomes emptier they will stay less cold. DH would most likely not be going into town every day as that would be wasting gas and it's possible there would be none available in our small nearby town because of lack of electricity to run the pumps. We have extra stored but would use it only in case we would need to be evacuated. or in an emergency. With my canning and cooking up foods in the freezer I would not have to worry much about cooking meals but would most likely need to make bread. I'd either make it white bread as I have various flour stored or would have to have some wheat ground in the hand mill as I usually only grind it as I need it. I probably would make baking powder biscuits as it's easier on my arms which will already be overworked. I might throw in a batch of cookies with them while I'm baking. When the fresh veggies in the refrig were used up I'd most likely gather some Lambs Quarter or purslane and other greens from the yard and add some garden radishes for a salad just to keep the meals from being boring. I would also have sprouts to fall back on as there's usually some on the cupboard to use. I can imagine the toll that the extra physical work of canning and lifting would take on my body. Even with DH helping it would be astronomical to can or dehydrate the contents of three freezers fast enough to keep it from spoiling and most likely some of it would have to be fed to the chickens and etc. By the time that the electric was back on I'd most likely have the majority of food in the freezers canned or dried and I'd be able to clean it good and start over. Something I'd been wanting to do anyway. And I'd have a LOT of canned goods to use for many months (years) to come but I'd be hard pressed to find jars to can my garden produce with come fall. Might have to think about adding to my stash. I'd also have to replace what lids (flats) I've used though I most likely have enough to do more besides what I had done all week. End of the week. I guess I'd be terrifically tired and possibly would be in need of a couple of weeks to recouperate. I KNOW I'd be ready to turn on a faucet and get hot water from it and open the freezer to grab some ice but other than the work and a full pantry of canned goods we wouldn't be much different here than before. If the electricity was off longer we'd just be doing more of the same though there wouldn't be the work of canning to handle. We'd be considering a whole lot more conservation of fuel than before though. Laundry would need to be done but at least we have plenty of clothes to last out the days of canning. I don't believe it would take us long to settle into the routine of no electricity. (Yeah, I know.... but Mt_Rider warned you that her and I were wordy )
  8. Seems there are more red flags within THIS red flag if you look for them. Notice the end that states it could take ten years to develop a new wheat variety..... http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4939504 Research Budgets Cut Amid Food Crisis, Wheat Worry Amid world food crisis, new threat to wheat production, research money is cut By JIM DRINKARD Associated Press Writer ST. PAUL, Minn. May 27, 2008 (AP) The Associated Press Dr. Yue Jin, a kind-faced man in a blue lab coat, is the nation's bulwark against a devastating new plant disease. He's the only federal scientist whose main mission is protecting the $17 billion U.S. wheat crop from annihilation. His budget's being cut — in part because money has been drained off by Congress' pet projects. Jin and other plant scientists have watched in alarm as mutant spores carried by the wind have spread a new strain of fungus from Africa across the Red Sea to infect wheat fields in Yemen and Iran, following a path predicted to lead to the rich wheat-growing areas of South Asia. Most of the wheat varieties grown worldwide — including the vast bulk of those planted in the United States — are vulnerable. The threat of an epidemic only adds to a global food crisis brought on by drought, floods, high food and fuel prices and a surge in demand. But despite the emergency, Associated Press interviews and a review of budget and research documents show that spending for Jin's laboratory and others where breeders develop disease-resistant wheat plants are being reduced this year, their money diverted to other programs and earmarked for special causes of members of Congress. "Earmarking has been going up, and our discretionary funds have been going down," said Henrietta Fore, the administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development, which has long provided much of the money for international agriculture research labs. Most policymakers weren't around the last time wheat stem rust disease attacked the U.S. crop. It was in the early 1950s, and nearly half the crop was lost in parts of the upper Midwest as wheat plants developed brown patches that choked off their water and nutrients. Plant scientists responded by developing new wheat varieties with genes that made them immune to the fungus. That worked for more than four decades, but now the new strain of the disease has surfaced. It's known as Ug99, named for where (Uganda) and when (1999) it was discovered. There's an even more frightening development: The disease is evolving and infecting even wheat strains that had been thought to be resistant. It's much like what is happening in hospitals, where doctors are running out of options to treat infections caused by antibiotic-resistant bacteria. The wheat threat comes with world stockpiles already at a 30-year low. Dr. Jin works for the U.S. Department of Agriculture at the University of Minnesota, in greenhouses where he examines wheat samples infested with the telltale brown lesions of stem rust and seeks to identify plants whose genes resist the disease. His lab was hit by a $300,000 cut this year, 20 percent of its overall budget. The Bush administration made that reduction in a quest for budget savings. At the same time, money for international research centers that Yue works closely with, including a wheat laboratory in Mexico, saw their U.S. funding cut from $25 million to $7 million. The threat to wheat, which provides 20 percent of the calories for the world's population, is but one facet of a food crisis that has sneaked up on policymakers. Overall U.S. spending for agricultural development around the world has dropped from more than $1 billion a year in the 1980s to less than one-third of that since 2000. "This amounts to neglect," says Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, the top Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee. The international labs, part of a consortium called the Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research, have for years been financed in part by the Agency for International Development. However when it came time to dole out money this year, AID found it had little to give because Congress had specified that nearly all overseas development aid go to other priorities — education, water projects, help for business start-ups, combating AIDS and malaria and promoting democracy. When confronted by choices between international agricultural research and development projects affecting a particular country, the agency chose to shield the country-specific aid from cuts because it was deemed more important to U.S. relations with the recipient countries. The international labs also lost out when they were pitted against U.S. universities that conduct farm research. A difference: The U.S. researchers hire lobbyists and have political clout. A group of public and land-grant universities that spent $170,000 to lobby in the first quarter of this year hired lobbyists including the former chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, Robert Livingston. The universities received $28 million in the AID budget, well above the $20 million they usually get, to fund programs such as sustainable agriculture, pest management, fish farming, and peanuts. AID says the increase is part of what forced CGIAR's funding to drop. The cuts in agricultural research budgets couldn't come at a worse time, says Dr. Norman Borlaug, the 94-year-old Nobel laureate best known as the father of the "Green Revolution" that brought adequate food supplies to developing countries around the world in the mid-20th century. Lulled by that success, "the public and policymakers became complacent" about maintaining research, Borlaug said in an interview. The result, he said, is a decline in living standards that is bad for everyone — the United States included. Food riots already have occurred in Egypt and Haiti this year. "Empty stomachs and human misery aren't a very good foundation for building understanding between nations," Borlaug said. There are belated efforts to find additional research money. Borlaug met with key congressional officials last week and came away with a promise that they would take a new look at the problem. President Bush asked Congress on May 1 for $770 million to help alleviate the food crisis, but it's unclear whether any of it will be directed to research. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in April gave $27 million to help fund rust research in Mexico, Kenya and Ethiopia. A Government Accountability Office report due out this week concludes that the United States and other developed countries have failed to give proper attention to helping their poorer neighbors grow sufficient food to feed their people. No one in the government has taken responsibility for championing the issue; the administration blames Congress, and Congress blames the administration. "The United States is stepping away from one of its core contributions to world food security," says Jim Peterson, a wheat breeder at Oregon State University. "It takes 10 years to develop a new wheat variety. If we start today and have to incorporate new resistant genes, we may already be too late." He adds: "Not to think there's any politics in food, but guess what?" Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
  9. Wow, these are all a lot of good ideas. While some of them, like growing an urban garden might be readily found in the Urban Homesteading forum, I believe we should cover the more unsavory survival ideas for urban living here as well. I especially believe this true of park fods, animals and birds and using what we find to survive. Maybe we can entice Cookie from her forum to come help us with this at a deeper level. The basic sewing/knitting/etc is also a good idea with the exception that we might stick with what might be very pertinent in a SHTF situation or those that were standard for past necessities. We might add spinning and etc to that. If we get to the point we can't buy it we need to know how to make it and that includes all sorts of necessities not just clothing. Liss,Betty if you and the others would like to post links, either to other posts in Mrs S or off site links to the "necessities" of life that would be great. Quilty's, great idea to learn how to make needles and etc. We'll maybe put that under something like Primative skills? Definitely we need a thread on the home nursing and grass roots diagnoses. Some of that can be found in the back threads of Nature's Prescription but there is nothing saying we can't get deeper into that also. Good idea Ambergris. Susie, I actually agree with you on the Suicide subject but in a different way you may have meant. If the SHTF we could easily be having to deal with those attempting suicide either because they no longer have medicines or because of the stress of the situation. It would not be amiss to learn how to deal with those despondent people without medications or with natural ones. I am not so sure on the euthanasia though, at least as it pertains to people but only because in the minds of most of the members that would be murder. Even if times did get that tough that situation would only occur in desperation. Desperation not premeditation. However, I am not so sure we might touch on the subject as it pertains to animals. If TSHTF we might have to decide what to do with pets and animals to keep them from going ferral or from suffering. I probably missed someone but I'll go back and start adding these to the list. Then I'll start some different threads so we can start on this right away. Thanks, keep adding,
  10. Of course you can copy what's here Mama Tiger. M2tb, we can easily give the instructions for how to 'birth a baby' as an educational only thing. In fact, as dogmom says, we can think outside the box with all of this and be safe in posting it as the Cave comes with a warning. Adding to the list.
  11. Good suggestions. Guess that means you are for this series
  12. This was the opening thread for the Pioneer Living series in the Cave. We are moving the PL threads to Are You Really Ready so everyone will be able to learn from the information. I will be moving the specific threads and others that fit with this thread but I hope others will add their pioneer living knowledge to this subforum. In another thread you will find a table of contents that will give you some idea of subjects that might be covered but feel free to add your suggestions here or start a thread of your own. I realized that many of the members here live a modern pioneer lifestyle already but I am hoping that we can start some threads that give some ideas of how others can do likewise. It's a huge subject of course but if we try to organize it into various subjects perhaps we can get some serious looks at the possibilities. I'm sure much of this information can be put in the public forums but I felt that by having it here we could add some of those 'iffy' ways to live that might not be accepted as totally safe. It will also help us get it all together in one spot even if we use links to other Mrs. S posts to do so. I'd like your ideas on what subjects you might want to see included. The object would be to learn about skills and ways of the past and from different parts of the world that we might be able to incorporate into our lives today AND to use in case of TSHTF scenarios. As an example of possible specifics, we might learn how to make pickles using old time recipes, tips and etc but using modern plastic buckets instead of crocks, or perhaps pickling meats and fruit as well as vegetables. Making tools by hand from natural woods but using modern tools to do so. Using 'found' things to make other things from such as gate locks from old hinges. Using horses/bicycles/goats for transportation but using modern conveiences and equipment. Cooling foods but using coleman coolers or solar but learning about springs. Etc Etc. To get you started here's some ideas. Food: Not only how to grow it traditioinally but how it might be grown so as not to be found. Wild crafting foods Preserving it by traditional and perhaps non-safe methods ??? Water: Where to find Questionable sources hauling Storage Conserving Housing: Non traditional homes (tents, yurts, log, converted buildings, etc) Hidden homes Extended families and how to cope ?? Energy: fireplaces, wood stoves, etc Solar, wind, hydro Cooking with and without Heat, cooling and refrigeration Making and storing ice ?? Skills from the past and around the world: Listings of skills Places to learn Animals/livestock: traditional methods of care Alternative animals Pack animals Transportation farming with ??? Lifestyles: Ideas for different areas and situations Changing lifestyles ?? ???????? Please give me your input on this. Are you interested? What additions would you like to see? Once we get a list I will start posting threads for each.
  13. Strangely enough I didn't find anything more about it either, MommaDogs. It seems they DID have it but ??? I did read about the meeting that you mention though. There are many such meetings within and around our government that we never hear about or that seem to slip away very quickly. Again, this is another one of those flags that should fit into the picture somewhere. Thanks for the post.
  14. Cowgirl, for clarification. This article is dated March 13. Has there been any more on this since then? Does anyone know how long they actually did meet? WAS there more made of this in our own media than what I saw? Thanks,
  15. FunkyPioneer, the link is to a private section of Mrs. S and can only be accessed by members who request admittance. You can find that admittance in the Cave under the thread titled the Edge. Be aware though that the Edge contains a lot of controversial information and sometimes get's a bit tense. It is not the place for the faint of heart to go at times. The reference only contained the information that you would find in the Australian news article at any rate. And according to Cowgirl may not be correct. I used it as only one example. It does not change the intent of my post above. There is NO conspiracy theory intended in it, only that I had hoped to get others to take a personal look not only at those red flags we DO see but those that we often miss in an attempt to get all of us to see that bigger picture.
  16. Reason? uhhh Yup, sure, that's me, I think. Darlene swaying me. Uhh, well ,,,,can I think about it? Okay, I know, she really CAN sway me every time her ideas mesh with mine which happens to be most of the time. Trip, she REALLY DOES mean she's watching you. Zach, Welcome to Mrs. S. I'm pretty sure you will enjoy your stay if you are interested in prepping and have a sense of humor. You will find both here by the buckets full. I also want to welcome you and Mrs. Zach to prepping. I should warn it might be addictive but it will be the best thing you ever did. ((((to you both))))
  17. http://www.mrssurvival.com/forums/ubbthr...true#Post213043
  18. I saw it here on Mrs. S somewhere but this is where I read the original. http://www.australia.to/story/0,25197,2304...-922,00,00.html Seems it IS a very close held secret. Doesn't mean any of this is true but it does fit in with other things I've read.
  19. We've noted that the mutation of the H5N1 avian flu was moving closer to Human to Human transmition but this is the first article we've had on the H7 classes which has always thought to be less of a problem. Thanks for posting it Trip.
  20. I keep looking at all these small red flags and wondering if we are having so many small ones we're missing the big ones. It's easy to see gasoline and food prices soaring. The stock market is right out there in front of us daily, going up and down as the so called 'adjustments' take place. In fact, those things are so much in the headlines that they have ceased to be news. If you are subjected to something long enough and often enough you become numb to it, or brain washed to accept it. The housing and mortgage industry problems, possibility of banks closing, reports of this industry or that industry tanking, businesses closing, lay offs, and etc etc are all still out there but do we react to them as much as we did when it first started and the media was making it all the HYPE? Even the fact that we are threatening war with Iran has ceased to lose it's grip on our fears. Yet that is still a serious threat to our very existance. We hear that the US House of Rebs (?) has had a closed door session and it barely made news even though it's almost unheard of. I could go on and on with the list but the fact is that we only focus on just what they WANT us to focus on. High Gas and food prices and even the food price thing is losing it's noteriety among high gas prices. Why? We, even those of us who believe we are NOT sheeples, get so used to the media telling us what we need to know and believe that we can't see the forest for the trees. We barely blink when we read in an Australian newspaper that our US closed session was supposedly for discussions on surveilance even though supposedly there were leaks that it was more for financial collapse in September. Why? Part of the reason is that we don't really believe half those news stories that didn't come from our own media. We have been conditioned to NOT believe them. Then again we've been conditioned to NOT believe half of what we read in our OWN media. Yet here we are, on Mrs. S in a huge HUGE double thread of red flags and we have yet to figure out what all these red flags mean to our prepping. We NEED these red flags but we also need some comments here on what we might see these red flags pointing to. I don't want to hijack my own thread but I would love to hear some of your thoughts on what your red flag is showing you to do in your preps. My biggest red flags are not what I see happening as much as what I don't see happening. I don't see a nation pulling together to help, only a nation that is so divided that there is no one decisive action. I see the red flag that says more people are gardening out of desperation but no where do I see the Governement or even the media suggesting that the citizens should be doing this to help ease the burdens like they have done in the past with the Victory Gardens. I don't see our government 'asking' it's people to give up anything so that we can win this war on terrorism or to conserve fuel to make it less necessary to be dependent on outside oil. Still, just because I don't SEE those things doesn't mean that our government hasn't been working to bring them about. We are being 'forced' to raise more of our own food. We are being 'forced' to conserve fuel. We are being 'forced' to give up our homes for lack of funds. I'm NOT posting this as a conspiracy thing. I am seeing it as a necessity of our government to change things around in a nation that is full of contention and so much diversity that it's hard to appeal to all as it once was. I'm seeing these small red flags pointing to a much bigger world wide problem that it's time we all started to see. I'm seeing a haggard government that is trying to do a thankless job because they can't be truthful with it's citizens or the revolt would make it impossible for them to save anyone. Step back. Look at all these flags. What do YOU see? Bighug:
  21. Westy, I haven't gotten a chance to tell you how much I've come to love you though I've never met you in person. You have to get well. I am sending thoughts and prayers for your recovery. I am also sending intentions for same. Darlene, I feel you pain and am there with you in thoughts as well.
  22. Question, what do you see as a REASON for there being lack of communication? Wouldn't that make a differnce to what was used? For instance, if earthquake, tornado or some such took out the communication in a given area, it might be possible to use a battery operated CB short range, or Ham. If towers are down or inactive and electricity is off in only one area the rest of the country would be attempting to repair the problem but if the communication system was out all over the United States, then what? If communication outage is that wide spread it would probably mean NO electricity anywhere and possibly no satalite connections. In other words, the mode of communication would be consistent with the extent of the disaster that took it out. Our family is aware that our communication might be by pony express or by bicycle and if those are all that's left the occupation could be a dangerous one at that.
  23. If you buy organic sweet potatoes you will have no trouble with sprouting them. They aren't coated with anything supposedly. I start mine by taking sweet potatoes out of storage when they've just started to sprout as they usually are by spring but you can do it directly from non-sprouted ones also. I cut them in half lengthways and put each half, cut side down in shallow trays of water until they start to root well. They get kind of mushy as they sprout. Then I cut them apart or sometimes I can just pull rooted plants off the sweet potatoe and put them into separate pots in a sunny window until I can put them out in the garden. (These make a beautiful vine-like house plant too but eventually die back as they are restricted by the pots.) By the way, sweet potatoes take up a LOT Of room in the garden but home grown ones are well worth it. We usually plant ours near the edge and let them sprawl. I've tried them in the corn patch but they don't seem to get enough sun there and don't produce as well. We grow squash and pole beans there instead. Your way is a lot easier I believe, Quiltys. I'll try it next year. Thanks
  24. Very good point Quiltys, We might want to add jelly making supplies (pectin), canning salt, sugar, spices, and etc to that list. Thanks for the heads up!
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