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I'm looking for a recipe to help with sore muscles.




I tried looking for salve, and couldn't find anything.


I saw something that said liniment, now I found some.


Why can't I make a sore muscle salve? Why does it have

to be a liquid?


Define Salve, Liniment and Ointment.







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I always thought of Liniment as more of a liquid.

salves and ointments are terms that seem to be interchangeable, in other words they mean the same thing.

Salves and ointments are much thicker than liniment. Other that that I don't know of a difference in meaning.


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What's DMSO?


Liniment's are a liquid.

Salves and ointments are basiclly the same thing, they

are also semisolid.


Salve: An analgesic or medicinal ointment.

Ointment: A salve.

Liniment: A medicinal fluid rubbed into the skin to soothe pain or relieve stiffness.


Now, can anyone tell me if I can make a salve that will

sooth pain and relieve stiffness?




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Salves and ointments are fairly easy to make and any herb that is used for relieving soreness, like cayenne, will work with them. Oil, (olive, almond, safflower or canola are my choices) is probably the easiest to use as a base. Pioneers used different fats like lard, goose grease or tallow but it is a bit more work. Lete me know if you want to learn about using these. You can even use vasoline if you desire or things like cold cream.


Here is my own recipe:


Basic cream or lotion:


Pour three or four ounces of gently warmed oil over 2-3 tablespoons of herbs in a jar. Seal tightly and keep in a sunny window or a warm spot for two to three weeks or until the oil smells softly of the particular herb, shaking daily. Or conversely, place the jar in a small crock pot filled with water for several days on low.


Strain out the herbs and warm the oil on low heat or over a double boiler. Add about 1 1/2 ounces of beeswax, (tallow, lard, cocoa butter, lanolin or even parafin can be used also). This is the hardener and the amount you use of each will vary according to the thickness you want for the finished product and the hardener you use. Bees wax is hard, lanolin soft etc. More hardener will make it set up as an ointment or a salve and less hardner will let it set up as a lotion. Just experiment. Heat, stirring, just until everything is melted. Do not overheat.


When all is melted remove from the heat and continue stirring occassionally as it cools. Before it's totally cool you may want to add a teaspoon of vitamin E, honey and/or a few drops of essential oil either medicinal or scenting for added benefit but this is optional. You can also add a natural preservative like gum benzoin to help it keep longer but it stores well for quite a while the way it is and for a lot longer if kept in the refrigerator.


Here's a list of herbs to use for different conditions:


Oily skin: Use Soy or nut oils as they are drying. Lemon, Witch Hazel, Fennel, Dandelion, Lavender, Roses, Peppermint, Licorice, Anise


Dry Skin: Use olive, safflower almond or canola oil as they are moisturizing, Comfrey root or leaf, Chamomile, Pansy, Clover, Elder Flowers, Violet Flowers, Rose water, Glycerin, Honey, Oatmeal, Vitamin E.,Yarrow, Slippery Elm Bark, Violets, Strawberry, Orange peel,


Irritated Skin: Aloe Vera, Comfrey leaf or root, Nettle, Elder Flower, Lavender, Marigold, Roses, Violets, White willow bark, Plantain leaves, Marshmallow root


Itchiness and healing: Chickweed, Comfrey, Plantain, Calendula, Goldenseal Root, Echinacea, St. Johns Wort, Myrrh, Thyme (antiseptic), Pine


For fungus infections: Black Walnut, Chaparral, Myrrh, Burdock root, Echinacea, Tea tree oil


Chest congestion: Eucalyptus, wintergreen, Camphor oil,


A nice sleep salve (use on temples at night): Calendula, Mint, Lavender, Rosemary,


Baby salve (or powder): Chamomile, Calendula, Elderflower


Salve for Men: Rosemary, Thyme, Mint, Sage, Bay leaf


Aches and Pains: Strawberry leaf, Mint, Rosemary, Sage, Comfrey leaf or root, Vitamin E, cayenne


Hope this helps some.



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Cool Mother! I am printing that out!


I am not sure what DMSO is except that you put it on horses (like on the outside of a leg and then wrap) if they have a sore muscle and we have some at the healthfood store that is for the same thing - just for humans. I try to pay attention to what the people come back for more of saying it really works.

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how much??? let me think... i pour some baby oil into the palm of my hand guessing about 2 1/2 tablespoon? then add the tea tree oil about 1/4 teaspoon. depending how much i hurt. i guess if i am going to share what i do i need to be doing some measuring.

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sorry but i can't tell you much more then what i have. maybe someone else can. all i know is that i had heared about it, tried it, worked for me. then again i was still taking 1 baby asprins at the age of 25 and getting rid of headaches.


i don't take any kind of med's had to for a few years but through eating right, exersice, and staying with my herbs got off of them. so now at 52, i don't take any thing but a couple of vit. one being c the other e and will stop them once spring gets here.

sorry that is all i can help with.

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I'm weird, i like when my muscles hurt. Saw this thread while i was looking for DMSO....

I have a big bottle of DMSO i got yesterday at the vets for a horse we are treating. I've got horrible arthritis in my thumb joint. The joint is almost fused and full of bone spurs. I'm constantly hitting it on things and forgetting and grabbing things which hurts like all getout...While getting what i need ready for the horse, i got some on a Qtip and rubbed it on that joint. Does anyone know a reason for me not to do this.....

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  • 1 month later...
I'm weird, i like when my muscles hurt. Saw this thread while i was looking for DMSO....

I have a big bottle of DMSO i got yesterday at the vets for a horse we are treating. I've got horrible arthritis in my thumb joint. The joint is almost fused and full of bone spurs. I'm constantly hitting it on things and forgetting and grabbing things which hurts like all getout...While getting what i need ready for the horse, i got some on a Qtip and rubbed it on that joint. Does anyone know a reason for me not to do this.....




Dimethyl sulfoxide (C2H6OS), or DMSO, is a sulfur-containing organic compound. DMSO occurs naturally in vegetables, fruits, grains, and animal products. DMSO was first synthesized in 1866 as a byproduct of paper manufacturing. Therapeutic interest began in 1963. DMSO was reported to penetrate through the skin and produce analgesia, decrease pain, and promote tissue healing. DMSO is available for both non-medicinal and medicinal uses.

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My husband's aunt recently had a reaction to DMSO but it was because of an allergy to sulfur. She also has them to shampoos, body washes, and other sulfur containing skin items and has to be cautious what she uses. Just a word of caution that anything can cause an allergy, even naturally occuring products.


I would also like to try DMSO but as I also have an allergy to sulfur I am leery of trying it. Anyone have more information on it and possible allergies?



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Don't know much about it, Mother, but if you have a sulfur allergy, I'd be hesitant to use it.


What condition do you have that would make you want to try it? If it's pain or arthritis, seems like you've already got an arsenal of goodies in your cupboard! ;)


I make a sore muscle rub that really works. It's got kpangnan butter, emu oil, castor oil, hempseed oil, arnica infused jojoba oil, calendula infused sunflower oil, evening primrose oil, and essential oils of lavender, ginger, eucalyptus, black pepper, lemongrass, sweet birch, marjoram, and lemon.

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Yes, I am hesitant to try many things but you are right, I do have an arsenal of things at my disposal. I have, among other more severe problems, fibromyalgia and I know quite a few people who have had great relief with DMSO. When you have chronic diseases it makes you long to use anything that will give relief. Thankfully, I am wiser than that. :)


I am very much enjoying your posts. I'm glad you are back.



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Thanks, glad to BE back.


I actually have several friends with FM and it can be seriously debilitating. When I get a chance I'll check some of the research I have to see if I have any suggestions you might try that have no sulfur. Anything else that you cannot use?

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Thank you for caring, Evensong. Though I rarely talk about my illnesses, if it will help someone else it's worth it. I have had allergies all of my life but many years ago, as a long time wildlife rehabilitator, I contracted Lyme Disease and it left me with an impaired immune system (auto-immune disease). Among other things I have multiple chemical sensitivity as well as some severe and even life threatening allergies. Even natural and herbal remedies are sometimes difficult for me to use.


As you might guess, I am extremely careful what I use on my skin and/or in my body. Like you, I believe if you can't eat it, do NOT put it on your skin. The skin is one of the biggest organs in the body and is capable of 'ingesting' more than people realize.


I would welcome any suggestions that you might have though. If they do not help me they might help someone reading here. There are others here with similar dis-eases. That is so much a part of what Mrs. S is about. Learning and helping others. Isn't she wonderful? :D



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I've read that Lyme disease is a precursor to FM.


Have you ever made an arnica stick for pain?


In my research and experience I've found that 10 drops of EOs per ounce of carrier oil is typical for blends, but for therapeutic use up to 60 drops per ounce may be necessary. That's how much I use in my muscle rub.


I'm sure you're aware how FM may be complicated by other things, like stress, anxiety, restlessness, etc. It's obviously best to make a blend for your particular needs, but here's some info I've gathered. I apologize, but I don't recall the source other than it was from aromatherapists.


The essential oils most useful in treating the symptoms of FM are:

For pain relief: spike lavender, sweet marjoram, lavender, petitgrain, Roman and German chamomile, clary sage, lemongrass, helichrysum, peppermint, ginger and black pepper. Spike lavender with peppermint and helichrysum creates an anti-inflammatory synergy.


For stress/anxiety relief: rose otto, frankincense, clary sage, sweet orange, bergamot, grapefruit, ylang ylang, sandalwood, neroli, sweet marjoram, petitgrain, mandarin, lavender, rose geranium, tangerine, jasmine.


For peaceful sleep: lavender, neroli, jasmine, marjoram, and Roman chamomile.


For a feeling of harmony and safety: frankincense, lavender, rose, mandarin, neroli, and helichrysum.

For headaches: lavender, peppermint, marjoram, and Roman chamomile.


For increased circulation: rosemary, ginger, black pepper, peppermint, lemongrass, rose geranium.


A useful overall blend might be: 4 drops of lavender, 1 drop of frankincense, 4 drops of sweet orange, and 1 drop of neroli.


Another blend could include 4 drops of sweet marjoram, 1 drop of Roman chamomile, 4 drops of mandarin, and 1 drop of rose.


If you want to provide more circulation, use 4 drops of lavender, 4 drops of rose geranium, 2 drops of rosemary, and 1 drop of lemongrass.


Also blending the spike lavender with the peppermint and helichrysum would create an anti- inflammatory synergy. You could add thyme linalool and dilute with St. John’s Wort oil and you have an anti-inflammatory muscle pain reliever.


Of course, any of those suggestions are dependent upon your sensitivities.



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