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These are the threads at Mrs Survival that I have found that contain information and links about EMPs.


EMP stands for "electromagnetic pulse", and is defined as a burst of electromagnetic radiation from an explosion (especially a nuclear explosion) or a suddenly-fluctuating magnetic field. The resulting electric and magnetic fields may combine with electrical/electronic systems to produce damaging current and voltage surges. It is believed that the resulting breakdown of the electrical system would result in widespread hardship and long-term difficulties in living life as we currently know it.


These threads discuss different aspects of the same kind of problems. An extremely large solar flare could bring about the same results, so that topic is included here. In some threads, the information is far down in the posts. I will leave it to the reader to search out the information they want.


If you find more, please either tell me about it, or post it here. THANK YOU!

If you find a broken link in any of these threads, please tell me and I will try to fix it.


(UPDATED 2/24/2012 - most recent posts first in each category)




"Are You Really Ready?"


Electromagnetic pulse a real threat

12 - 2011




Another movie in the making~Remnants

(about EMP-like disaster)

1 - 2011




EMP attack from paranoia to popularity

12 - 2010




Another article on EMP

12 - 2010




USA Today Article on EMPs Solar and Attack (Nuke)

10 - 2010




Senate dumps strategy to prevent EMP damage

8 - 2010




Interesting EMP Information

7 - 2010




This could be it. Solar flares

6 - 2010




EMP: The Next Weapon of Mass Destruction?

3 - 2010




EMP Revisited

12 - 2009




Trouble in Paradise What would you do?

(discussion of Hawaii's unique situation)

6 - 2009




Deliberate Cyber-attack in CA, FBI fears it was "practice"

5 - 2009




Include space storms in your preps…a few words from mainstream science

(Space storms could be like an EMP)

1 - 2009





9 - 2008




GHB Dream (stranded with kids - Get Home Bag)

8 - 2008




UNreality Scenarios.....Without Warning #1 (No electricity)

5 - 2008




worst case....

4 - 2007





(Excellent overview of what EMPs are and how they damage)

2 - 2003







"Urban Homesteading"



modern bunkers

(including EMP type protection)

9 - 2008




Loss Of The Ability To Communicate For 3 Months Or Longer

9 - 2006







"Country Homesteading"


instant faraday cage

12 - 2007




Last light by Terri Blackstock

(fiction book review)

3 - 2006




"Within These Pages"


One Second After About an EMP attack

12 - 2011






We have a private fiction writer's corner that contains several fictional stories featuring EMP-related scenarios. You need to be registered at Mrs Survival and request to be admitted. Send me a PM (private message) or post it at the end here in a reply. (I'll delete the requests after admission.)



"The Edge" is for registered members and by request only. It also contains some threads on this subject, posted there.

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Thanks Cat, this is one area of preps that should be researched thoroughly and you have made it a lot easier to do this at Mrs. S. The work you do here at Mrs. S is SOOOOOO Appreciated! :hug3:



EMP, while not a big media topic, is starting to emerge as a real threat to America and other countries. A friend gave me a recent (April 2009) publication from the American Legion that had a big article about the topic. They sub title it as "The national security risk no one discusses". The article can be found here:









(Cat - Thought it was lost forever but found it again!)

The American Legion Magazine


The threat of a new missile age


BY James Jay Carafano - April 3, 2009


Sunlight fills the bedroom. It’s past 8 a.m., and it’s cold. Why didn’t the alarm go off? The bathroom lights are out. The house is without power. The battery-operated radio plays nothing but static. The phone is dead. What on earth has happened?


In fact, what happened was not on Earth. It was above it. A nuclear weapon has detonated high over North America, an explosion so far up that neither the flash nor bang disturbed anyone slumbering in darkened bedrooms across the United States. Electrical systems and computers from New York City to San Francisco cease to function. City streets turn into chaos. Fires break out, and no communications are available to send trucks to fight them. The sick and injured perish in overwhelmed, energy-sapped hospitals. Survivors, unable to fill their gas tanks, slowly walk away from the dead zone, unsure where to go or what they will find.


This scenario may sound like the plot of a science-fiction movie, but Bill Graham, former science adviser to President Reagan, says it’s a realistic portrayal of what would happen to the United States after a massive electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear explosion.


The former deputy administrator for NASA now chairs the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States From Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack. In July 2008, Graham testified before the House Armed Services Committee on the commission’s latest report. Only a handful of the committee’s 60 members showed up for the hearing.


“It’s obvious that there’s not very much interest,” sighed Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., a committee member who pushed for the commission’s establishment. In a radio interview, another committee member actually derided the subject as “science fiction.” Such mockery and indifference could very well come back to haunt the commission.


Graham and many of his fellow commissioners are distinguished scientists, not paranoid alarmists, and their conclusions are sobering. At the hearing, Graham described EMP as “one of a small number of threats that could hold our country at risk of catastrophic consequences.”


The greatest danger: a large nuclear warhead exploding upwards of 25 miles above the earth. The explosion would create a tsunami of ionized particles racing toward the planet’s surface. Electrical cables and wires would act like lightning rods, attracting and absorbing the intense burst of electromagnetic energy. Anything connected to them could be disrupted, disabled or destroyed. Delicate, integrated circuits and components would be burned out.


Graham, for one, knows that the recognition of EMP is not new. When a nuclear weapon detonates near, on or under the surface of the earth, the ground absorbs much of the EMP effect. Nuclear explosions in space are different. Operation Starfish was a July 1962 high-altitude nuclear test conducted over a remote area in the Pacific Ocean before such tests were banned. In the course of the test, the recording instruments went haywire. Graham, then a young Air Force scientist, was charged with figuring out why. He found the answer: EMP.


That discovery changed the way our military operated during the Cold War. We hardened many of our strategic defense systems, such as missile silos, against the EMP threat. But little thought was given to protecting civilian infrastructure. After all, a nuclear exchange with the Soviets would have reaped such massive destruction, EMP damage was viewed as a secondary concern at best.




THE PRESENT DANGER. Today, the nature of a nuclear threat is different. The United States is less concerned about massive retaliation from another nuclear-armed state and far more worried about a rogue nation or transnational terrorist group that might try to land a sucker-punch, especially if they think they can deliver the blow without leaving a return address.


Several credible scenarios present themselves. One is called the “Scud in a bucket.” A short-range ballistic missile, the Scud was developed by the Soviet Union in the 1950s. It’s been used in combat for more than three decades, starting with the Yom Kippur War of October 1973, when Egypt used it against Israel. Others launching Scuds include Libya, the Soviet Union and its Afghan allies, and Iraq, which loosed Scuds on Israeli civilians and U.S. troops during the first Gulf War. Today, Scuds are pretty much available anywhere in the global arms supermarket.


Put a nuclear-tipped Scud on any kind of ship, and you have a “Scud in a bucket.” The idea seems to have occurred to some who do not wish us well.


Terrorist-friendly Iran, for example, is developing the capacity to build its own nuclear weapons. The Iranians have also conducted missile tests from sea-based platforms. In these tests, they have detonated warheads at the high point of the missile trajectory rather than at the aim point over the target (that was documented 10 years ago in the Rumsfeld Commission report on missile threats).


Connect these dots, and you get an unpleasant picture. The tests certainly appear to be part of a research program to develop a covert means of launching an EMP attack against the United States. A short-range ballistic missile could be carried on board one of the thousands of commercial freighters sailing in U.S. waters every day. Without ever piquing the interest of the Navy, the Coast Guard or the Customs and Border Protection, a ship could sail within range and deliver its payload over U.S. territory. Even a modest warhead placed at the right spot over the east coast could take down 75 percent of the electrical grid.




STATE OF UNPREPAREDNESS. The latest report by the Graham Commission suggests a number of initiatives to reduce the EMP threat to our national infrastructure. They include more research into the threat; having plans in place to recover from an attack; and taking measures to mitigate the vulnerabilities to key electrical, communications and water systems as well as other vital assets.


Missile defense is another measure that should be pursued. The mission is simple: shoot down the enemy missile as it is being fired into space. That would not only minimize the EMP threat, it would also address the danger of anyone shooting a missile tipped with a nuclear, biological, chemical or explosive warhead at a U.S. city.


Missile defense is a game-changer. It severely reduces the danger posed by ballistic missiles. And make no mistake: ballistic missiles are the scourge of the 21st century. An entire country can be held hostage with just a missile and a warhead.


Many Americans think we already have a credible missile defense system; they are only partly right. The United States has the capability to stop a limited number of ballistic missiles fired from North Korea, and we are developing limited sea-based defenses. We’ve also just penned a deal with the Czech Republic and Poland to build radars and a limited number of missile interceptors in Europe that could deal with a missile attack from Iran. But even if all goes well, that system won’t be in place for four or five years. To make matters worse, there are no plans whatsoever to build comprehensive space-based interceptors that could interdict missiles shortly after they are launched.




CAPITOL INDIFFERENCE. Unlike most Americans, Congress does not really seem to care whether we and our allies have comprehensive missile defenses. The anemic attendance at the EMP Commission hearing is symptomatic. The Congressional Missile Defense Caucus is small and boasts almost no members from the majority party.


That indifference carries over into budgeting. Congress spends as little as it talks about missile defense. In the last appropriation, Congress cut the missile-defense budget and allocated a paltry $5 million to study the problem – about as much as it dedicated to “wood-utilization research” in the past fiscal year.


For years, the common argument against missile defense was simply that it’s infeasible. However, technology has advanced steadily. Dozens of tests have been conducted successfully in recent years. Gen. Trey Obering, commander of the Missile Defense Agency that oversees the Pentagon’s missile-defense programs, says, “They used to say that you can’t hit a bullet with a bullet. Well, now we can hit a spot on a bullet with a bullet.”


Another frequent complaint was that missile defense would cost too much. “Missile defense comprises less than one-70th of what the nation is spending each year for defense,” writes missile defense expert Robert Pfaltzgraff. “And defense spending represents only about 4 percent of our national wealth as an expression of GDP. By reasonable standards, missile defense is a modest national security investment.” Pfaltzgraff adds that those calculating the costs of missile defense should also add up the cost of a devastating missile strike in America.


Consider the 9/11 attack. That atrocity left 2,819 people dead and crippled the heart of a great city. It shuttered the Stock Exchange for six days. More than 400,000 New Yorkers suffered post-traumatic stress disorder. Cleanup alone cost more than $600 million. It is estimated that the city lost more than 146,000 jobs and suffered an economic drain exceeding $105 billion.


These costs are only a tiny fraction of the toll that would have been paid had New York suffered an EMP attack. “The problem, of course, is that practically everything in our 21st-century society depends on electronic chips and other pieces of equipment,” writes Frank J. Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy. “Most especially, America’s electrical grid relies on a small number of transformers that manage the flows of energy within and between the country’s various regions. We no longer manufacture transformers, and replacing one from overseas suppliers can take up to a year. Hurricane Katrina was a vivid example of what can happen when the electrical system goes down even briefly, let alone for one year’s time.”




CALL TO ACTION. Long-standing arguments against missile defense no longer hold water – not after a decade of steady technical and scientific progress. Yes, there are countries that want us to trade away or give up plans for missile defense. That’s because they want the United States to remain vulnerable.


Diplomacy that leaves Americans vulnerable to missile attack, or allows peace to rest on the threat of mutually assured destruction, is illogical and immoral in an age when we can eliminate the danger. Missile defense will not solve all the world’s problems, but it will significantly reduce the threat of ballistic missiles and the possibility that some madman could realize his crazed dream of a “world without America.”


What we need now is a government that takes the issue seriously.




James Jay Carafano is senior research fellow for national security at The Heritage Foundation and the author of several books, including “GI Ingenuity” and “Private Sector, Public Wars.”

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Thank you, Mother. I printed the article for DH to read, and will print some of the others.


We just talked about this the other night, as I had just recived my copy of One Second After and was explaining the scenario to him.


He was under the impression that the U.S. has the capacity to intercept ICBM. I think that is the common perception.

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North Korea is readying a missile that can do this.....

The new rocket is believed to have a design range of more than 6,700 km (4,160 miles), and can carry a payload of up to 1,000 kg.


Granted they cannot hit a 2'x 2' square of earth yet at such a range, but they can lob an emp or strike AK


Right now, they are readying themselves to 'launch' a satellite with this capable level of rocket.....


Graphics on North Korea's rocket and missiles: http://link.reuters.com/fyg57s




Article below from Yahoo news.


CHOLSAN, North Korea/SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea has readied a rocket for a launch from a forested valley in its remote northwest this week that will showcase the reclusive state's ability to fire a missile with the capacity to hit the continental United States.


Pyongyang says the rocket, to be launched this week, will only carry a weather satellite, but South Korea and the United States say it is a test of a ballistic missile. And although the risk of it veering off course is low, guidance remains its weakest point.


In a rare move, reporters were taken to the new Sohae launch station, close to the border with China, where work was in progress to ready the 30-metre high Unha-3 rocket and its satellite.


The three-stage rocket was on the launch platform, indicating the launch will go ahead on plan between April 12-16.


"Supreme Commander Kim Jong-un made a very bold decision, that is why you are allowed to be this close to the launch site," site director Jang Myong Jin told visiting foreign journalists on Sunday.


North Korea announced plans to launch the satellite-bearing rocket to coincide with the 100th birthday celebrations of its founder, Kim Il-sung, a move that will help cement the prestige of his grandson Kim Jong-un, who took power in December.


The second stage booster is planned to separate in the seas to the west of the Philippines, about 3,000 km (1,860 miles) from the launch site, and experts say that represents the first possible landfall for the rocket if things go wrong.


If North Korea does achieve a successful separation of the third stage - something it says it achieved in 2009, but most experts say failed to put a previous satellite into orbit - that would show it had improved its technology and the capacity to produce a missile that could carry an intercontinental nuclear warhead.


Pyongyang has also shifted its launch site, and the new, more sophisticated site on the west of the Korean peninsula reduces the risk of debris falling on Japan, which was overflown in a previous test-launch of a missile.




Graphics on North Korea's rocket and missiles: http://link.reuters.com/fyg57s




This launch will take the rocket down the west coast of the Korean peninsula. Japan, which fears a repeat of a 2009 firing over its territory, has put its missile batteries on alert to shoot the rocket down.


"They have come pretty far on the question of range, but they still need a lot to resolve in the precision technology needed for (warhead) re-entry and guidance," a South Korean military official who spoke on condition of anonymity said.


The Unha-3 is likely the same three-stage liquid-fueled ballistic missile the North fired in 2009 over Japan which eventually splashed down after a 3,800 km flight, military experts in South Korea said.


The new rocket is believed to have a design range of more than 6,700 km (4,160 miles), and can carry a payload of up to 1,000 kg.


At its closest point, Alaska in the United States is about 5,000 km from North Korea.


The launch will be the first at the Sohae rocket station, construction of which began in 2007. It is a large, sophisticated facility with specialized assembly and transport, according to analysis from military specialist consultancy IHS Jane's Defense Weekly.




While most international observers doubt that the Unha-2 rocket launched in 2009 managed to put a satellite into orbit, few experts believe there is a high risk the Unha-3 will land on a densely populated urban area.


The biggest risks are a massive failure of the guidance system that could send the rocket north over China, the North's main political and economic backer, or the destruct mechanism not functioning if it does veer off course, said Markus Schiller from Schmucker Technologie in Munich, an expert on North Korean missile systems.


"There always is a residual risk, of course, that several things might go wrong and lead to unforeseen disaster ... but this risk is very low, actually approaching zero," Schiller said in an emailed response to questions.


"It is far more likely that the rocket itself fails and blows apart."


The launch site is located 50 km (30 miles) from North Korea's border with China.


"The worst case scenario is it strays into China or South Korea if the rocket goes out of control," said an expert on rocket technology at a South Korean state-run research institute, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.


While North Korea's 23 million people live in poverty and many are at risk of malnutrition, the prestige of developing rocket technology and nuclear weapons capacity is the most important issue for Pyongyang, which sees it as a deterrent against invasion.


The North is believed to have stockpiled enough fissile material to manufacture up to 10 nuclear bombs and South Korea's Yonhap news agency said on Sunday it was preparing for a third nuclear test.


Government officials in South Korea have calculated the North is spending $19 million on this launch.


"I believe North Korea is developing many technologies simultaneously - technologies on rocket that can deliver nuclear warheads, materials that can cope with high temperature when reentering the atmosphere and on the miniaturization of nuclear bombs," said the South Korean rocket expert.


(Additional reporting by Ju-min Park; Editing by David Chance and Raju Gopalakrishnan)





My notes, Iran now is increasing it's distance launching capabilities to include Europe and cross Atlantic target areas , the East Coast of the US.

Plus any 'rogue' can hire a trawler and come right up to the coastal waters . It doesn't matter if the trawler or cargo ship sinks being used as a delivery method, if the missile can still manage to go overhead in a launch. It will have been a method of delivery.


Terrorist-friendly Iran, for example, is developing the capacity to build its own nuclear weapons. The Iranians have also conducted missile tests from sea-based platforms. In these tests, they have detonated warheads at the high point of the missile trajectory rather than at the aim point over the target (that was documented 10 years ago in the Rumsfeld Commission report on missile threats).

( This previous paragraph is a quote from the above article posted in this thread).

It is a fact that there are nuclear and bomb materials being transported by various non legit means and that they do get through check points and modern monitoring by many countries we consider our allies or at least fairly neutral. This has been going on for years and there are still 'materials' on the missing lists. It has to be in someone's ones possession or paid for by someone to make use of somewhere.


There simply are too many 'rogue' and barbaric types that would like to harm the US and other western countries, but especially the US.


We can suffer suitcase bomb level attacks or emp type delivery by missiles at anytime.

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Today, Times of Israel writes of concern about IRAN doing and EMP STRIKE. They are a serious publication about Israel.






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An electromagnetic pulse attack — the ‘other’ Iranian nuclear threat

Some experts say Tehran may be preparing for an EMP strike — which could ‘fry’ electrical grids, with devastating consequences




Rest of article below , concerns all nations Iran doesn't seem to care much for:


Just what might happen if the Iranians got their hands on a nuclear weapon? Would they fire it at an Israeli city, causing tens or hundreds of thousands of casualties? Or would they use it as a geopolitical weapon, seeking to dominate the Middle East and forcing the hand of Western powers, either subtly or by overtly threatening death and destruction to those who fail to heed their dictates?


While political scientists and world leaders have debated the likelihood of those two possibilities, there is a third plausible scenario: The use of a nuclear weapon by Iran to carry out an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack against Israel, the US, or Europe. Such an attack could cause severe damage to the electrical grid in the targeted nations, to the extent that the routines of daily life — centered around the use of electrical power — could be halted, for a short or even long period of time.


An EMP is an above-atmosphere level detonation of a nuclear device that produces enough radiation to wreak havoc with electrical systems. The blast produces a very brief but intense electromagnetic field that can quickly induce very high currents in electrical devices, shorting them out. The stronger the electromagnetic field — the “pulse” — the stronger the current, and the more likely electrical devices are to “blow out.” It’s akin to a power surge that shorts out your refrigerator or TV when too much voltage surges through the electrical outlet… on a whole other scale.


While there is much speculation as to what exactly an EMP would do to electrical appliances and digital devices — scientists have differences of opinion over how badly they would be affected (the world hasn’t really experienced a direct EMP blast yet, so much of the speculation is based on educated guesses) — the far-greater concern is what an attack would do to the electrical infrastructure in a targeted area. If an EMP strike is large enough, or there are enough such strikes, the blasts could knock out power plants, electrical substations, and other sensitive equipment, causing a massive power failure that may take weeks or months to overcome. Data centers housing servers would likely be badly damaged as well, as would be communications systems.


The EMP issue is hardly being discussed in Israel, said Dr. Emily Landau, director of the Arms Control and Regional Security Program at Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies and a lecturer at Tel Aviv University. “There isn’t much discussion of it right now, but when the discussion does begin, there is no doubt that it will focus on the balance between how much it will cost to deal with, versus how likely such an attack may be,” she said.


Landau, an expert on Iran’s nuclear program, believes that Iran could very well be planning an EMP attack on Israel, based on statements the Iranian regime has made, and actions it has taken. And, she said, Iran would be capable of delivering an EMP attack if it acquired a nuclear weapon.


“Some are skeptical that Iran would use a nuclear bomb just for an EMP attack,” said Landau. “If they already have a nuclear weapon, why not use it for the main purpose for which it was designed? But while a nuclear bomb targeting an Israeli city would cause mass destruction on a local or regional basis, an EMP attack could cause even more lasting damage, destroying Israel’s electrical grid.”


If Iran did opt for an EMP attack, the damage to Israel would be very high, she said. “Iran doesn’t have a nuclear bomb yet, and hopefully they won’t have one, but if they do manage to build a bomb, an EMP attack is a real possibility,” Landau added. “Many people in the US are concerned about EMP now, and although the public discussion hasn’t begun in Israel yet, I expect that it will in the near future.”


The US Congress in 2000 established the Congressional Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack. In 2004, the committee produced a 70-page executive summary on the EMP threat, and it issued a final report on the matter in 2008. According to the report, “several potential adversaries have or can acquire the capability to attack the United States with a high-altitude nuclear weapon-generated electromagnetic pulse (EMP). A determined adversary can achieve an EMP attack capability without having a high level of sophistication.”


The impact would be devastating, the report said. “EMP is one of a small number of threats that can hold our society at risk of catastrophic consequences. EMP will cover the wide geographic region within line of sight to the nuclear weapon. It has the capability to produce significant damage to critical infrastructures and thus to the very fabric of US society, as well as to the ability of the United States and Western nations to project influence and military power,” it said.


Dr. Peter Vincent Pry was lead staffer for the Congressional committee, and he, too, is worried that Iran could use a nuclear bomb to carry out an EMP attack — on Israel and/or the US.


“Iran openly talks about using an EMP to attack Israel or the US,” said Pry, who is currently executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, a privately funded US group that seeks to educate the public and government leaders about the EMP threat to the US. According to Pry, Iran is actively preparing for an EMP attack. “Tehran has undertaken offshore exercises using Scud missiles fired and positioned in such a way that they exploded in the atmosphere — exactly the method you would use for an EMP attack,” he said.


Iran’s arsenal of atomic bombs would be no match for the US, which could obliterate any memory of Islamist Iran in a matter of minutes. But, Pry told The Times of Israel, he believes that Iran could get the most leverage out of a nuclear bomb by using it to trash large parts of the electrical grid in the US, making it easy for the Islamist regime to swoop in and act as it wishes on the world stage. “They could even marshal a major Islamic invasion of Israel, massacring the Jews and ushering in the era of the 12th Imam, the Islamic messiah, whose arrival Iran’s leadership believe is imminent,” Pry suggested grimly.


While EMP is a serious threat, there are steps governments can take to protect their electrical systems, according to Avi Schnurr, chairman and CEO of the Electric Infrastructure Security (EIS) Council, which works with government agencies and power companies worldwide to help coordinate international efforts on electric infrastructure protection.


“In the US, the estimate is that it would cost on the order of $1 billion to make the changes that would protect the power grid against EMP,” he told The Times of Israel. “I don’t have an estimate for Israel, but given the enormous difference in the sizes of the two countries and their power grids, it should be extremely affordable — no more than a fraction of a percent of Israel’s annual electric bill.”


“Hardening” electrical infrastructure against EMP attack would entail making some gradual changes to the power grid, such as the installation of devices like GIC (geomagnetically induced current) blockers.


Even if Iran were not developing a nuclear weapon, protecting the power grid in this manner would be a good idea, said Pry. “You don’t need a nuclear weapon to set off an EMP. You can also easily get a non-nuclear pulse generator,” he said. “They’re perfectly legal. A terrorist could detonate one next to an electrical station and effectively black out a city or region. Such weapons don’t do as much damage as a nuclear pulse does, but they are effective enough.”


In fact, when it comes to EMP, nature itself can be an enemy. “An EMP can be caused by an event like a severe solar storm,” said Pry. Such events have occurred on at least two previous occasions – including in 1859, when the largest recorded geomagnetic storm ever was recorded. British astronomer Richard Carrington observed the storm’s largest flare, which caused a major coronal mass ejection (CME) to travel directly toward the Earth — leading telegraph systems all over Europe and North America to fail, in some cases shocking telegraph operators before blowing out because of the overload of electricity in the wires. (The phenomenon is named the Carrington effect, after the astronomer.)


It takes political will to do what is necessary to protect the grid, said Schnurr, and that will is beginning to show itself in Western countries, including in Israel, which, Schnurr claims, is more aware, and more active in the hardening of its grid, than most countries. “Work is going on associated with protecting the grid,” continued Schnurr. There is a greater degree and breadth of awareness on this issue, which is part of the reason why efforts have been made.”


Cost need not be a barrier, Schnurr stressed. Relatively speaking, “the cost associated with hardening the grid is quite small,” he said. Getting it done, he said, is of the utmost priority, and that will be the great challenge of governments — from Israel to the US, and many others — in the coming period.

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Has anyone heard about the EMP drill this weekend? I believe that's what it is. A lot of times when they do a drill, exactly what they are drilling for happens....*shiver* here's hoping and praying that a drill is just a drill this time. https://offgridsurvival.com/department-defense-run-national-blackout-drill-starting-november-4th/

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No, I had not heard of the EMP drill, but. DH had heard of the civil war info.  He says, "Meh."

Hubby isn't worried either, lol! My biggest concern is having to walk home. KS is very far away from here! :o

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Protect Your Vehicle From an EMP with this Simple Strategy

Article by Jeremiah Johnson posted at Ready Nutrition  http://readynutrition.com/resources/protect-your-vehicle-from-an-emp-with-this-simple-strategy_20092016/
ReadyNutrition Readers, there have been a tremendous number of world happenings that has placed all of us in a precarious situation.  The past several months have seen successive tests of missiles, with a nuclear test as well (Friday 9/9/16) by North Korea.  Iran and North Korea have been exchanging missile technology, supplemented by the Russians with technical advisors and materials.  China, too, has been developing their SLBM (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile) weaponry at a breakneck pace.


The military doctrine of both North Korea and Iran call for a first-strike against the continental United States using an EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) generating warhead.  I wish to pen the caveat that I have been stating in my articles repeatedly for quite some time, now, hoping they will be taken into consideration:

A war would be kicked off with an EMP weapon detonated over the Continental United States, then a nuclear exchange, resulting in a World War.

That being said, there are numerous sites available for study of EMP effects as well as the nuclear threat capabilities of the countries previously mentioned.  Read the briefings of Dr. Peter V. Pry who heads the committee to assess the threat of EMP against the United States.  His writings and testimony before sessions of Congress between 2006 to 2009 are readily available and downloadable from the internet.  He also expounds on the fact that he is certain that North Korea has the capabilities of miniaturizing a warhead to deliver an EMP, and they have already done so.

I recently submitted a piece to SHTFplan.com that details the effects of an EMP on vehicles, as well as some sites to research.  In the interim, what can we do to reduce those effects?  One of the things is a grounding wire, a simple term that we can “complicate” further by expounding on measures (shoebox, field-expedient measures) that you can do…and that I have already done for myself…to give your vehicle a better chance against an EMP.

Micro Circuitry and Computer Chips in Vehicles Will be Problematic in an EMP

Firstly, the majority of the testing done by the government and private companies conclude that most vehicles will be unaffected by the EMP.  I wrote “most,” and the thing that it doesn’t take into consideration is the amount of complex micro circuitry and computer chips that exist in most cars after 1990.  The engine of the vehicle may remain intact; however, computer ignition systems and sensitive microcircuits that control a great deal of a vehicle’s internal functions could be fried instantaneously.  If the engine is fine, but it won’t start because the chip in the ignition is fried, well, the result would answer the question.

One of the possible solutions would be the grounding wire.  For decades all the way up to the present day, 18-wheelers have all utilized grounding wires attached to their frames both to protect from lightning strike and from static electrical discharge when they are delivering flammable cargoes such as fuel to filling stations or heating oil to homes.  It is this principle that you too can follow after, along with a grounding chain, to help protect your vehicle from the EMP.

How to Attach Grounding Wire to Your Vehicle

The grounding wire can be a 9’ -12’ piece of stranded steel cable attached to your rear axle to permit the cable to drag upon the ground when the vehicle is in motion.  This would permit electricity (that always tries to “find its way” to a grounded source, i.e., go into the earth) to pass along the frame and into the cable, that then passes it along to the ground.  Such a steel cable would have to be replaced periodically, as it would tend to fray and wear down.

For when the vehicle is not moving, you could double your chances and affix a grounding chain around the rear axle of your vehicle.  This chain (1/8” thick links, approximately) you would not drag.  By affixing eyehooks (yes, JJ “ruined” the bumper of his vehicle in this manner) to your rear bumper, you can use D-rings (small carabineers) to attach the chain to the bumper when the car is in motion, effectively lifting it off of the ground.  Then when you park your vehicle, unclasp the D-rings, and coil the chain up, and set it on the ground.  Bare earth is preferable, but macadam will work as well.  Do it at night before you go to bed, and during the workday, to give that added protection in the manner that electricity will pass along the grounding wire.

For the point of attachment around the axle, you can use a link that is “broken” and you can close by a screw-thread that is used to close the gap, or place that on the end of the chain and use the quick-release type clasp that is found on the end of a dog’s leash…the part that affixes to the dog’s collar or choker chain-link.  When you’re in motion you’ll have (hopefully) the grounding wire to assure contact between vehicle and road, and when you’re stationary an even better ground.

Is it perfect?  Possibly not, but the point is to give you a fighting chance.  When you buy Drano, it isn’t necessarily because your tub or sink is clogged…yet.  When it does clog, however, the Drano will be there.  Same principle as the one that you Guys and Gals already know, and it’s this one:

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Very true, and it’s better to take a swing and not get a hit than to just stand there and let the ball go into the catcher’s mitt.  This is a low-budget method that may just save your car’s electronics and enable you to drive home when the SHTF.  We welcome your questions and comments and look forward to hearing about your experiences in these matters.  Keep fighting that good fight!  JJ out!


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I see plenty of trucks dragging chains here.  Mostly ten-wheeler industrial haulers.  

7 hours ago, Mt_Rider said:

Around here they would arrest you for all the fires the sparks would set along the roadways.


MtRider  :wacko: 


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This thread hasn't been active since 2017 so I'm not sure anyone is interested but I thought I would ask if anyone noticed the governments renewed interest in protecting our country from an EMP attack.   A new committee was set up some time back to determine the security of our electrical grid and their report came out last year stating that our country was extremely vulnerable.  The committee used an earlier 2008 governmental report on the threat as well as its own investigation into how well our grid was protected (hardened against) and made various recommendations based on their findings.  Their findings were, if anything, more chilling than the one in 2008.


Among their recommendations (so I have read in various survival websites but found no verifications yet) was that the public be warned to be prepared for weeks, if not months, of no electricity and the subsequent problems that total electrical outages would bring.  


It seems this report is being taken seriously.  In March the president signed an Executive Order to have all the various task forces and offices work together to get our country protected from this looming threat.  Here is one link to the media about this.  It may not be the best link but there were many more out there at the time.  https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/436224-finally-a-presidential-emp-order-that-may-save-american-lives


This is the EO itself.  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-coordinating-national-resilience-electromagnetic-pulses/


I believe the original EMP commission's 2008 report is in the links in these threads if you want to read it.  It's long and a bit technical but very very chilling.  I saw the latest reports but wasn't able to find the link again.  I'll keep looking and post it.  


This brings up the question of how REALLY prepared are we, as a country and individually.  I know many people do not care for the current President but if there is enough threat for the government to take note and try to do something about it there must be a great threat indeed. 


Thoughts and opinions please. Non political as this is about being prepared and that is what Mrs. Survival embraces. 



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The vast majority of people are definitely not prepared for any kind of EMP. and probably never will be.  This issue facing us is which will occur first; one caused by our Sun, nature, or by an unfriendly nation.  I'm betting on the naturally occurring one.  Perhaps scarier to think about is the pending 'polarity shift'.  Not if but when.   The movement of Magnetic North is moving faster and farther than ever before and a compass is useless if looking for true North.  When the magnetism of our planet finally flips it will not be a fun event. Oh and it's a cyclic event and scientists know when it has happened before.

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Hello, Canned Nerd.  :wave:  Nice to see you are still here.  How have you been?  


You are, of course, right about few being prepared no matter which is the cause.  People always want to believe it won't happen,. That 'they' will take care of it.  Hopefully Mrs. S. Members are among the few who WILL be better prepared.  I've slipped in my food preps, mostly due to health and changes in needs, but my non-electric preps are all still intact.  I'm working of shoring up the rest and making necessary changes.  Not easy though.  


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