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So on facebook, I asked on my status what my friends and family thought about what is going on in Egypt right now -- the political and social aspects of it, and how it is affecting the U.S. and how such uprisings might affect our nation in the future. I got almost no response! One person said that it could never happen here because the "Constitution protects us and we have the second amendment." When I asked him how the Constitution can protect a populace that has no idea what the freedoms and rights it guarantees are, he didn't even respond. :( Are people that ill-informed of what is going on in the world and how it affects us? It makes me really sad, and leads me to wonder what the future of our country is, if people just don't care, or assume that a piece of paper will really protect them when the politicians they elect are disregarding it on a daily basis. So, what do you all think? This sort of politically-motivated uprising seems to be happening more and more often. What if the next one's in a major country, like Russia...or India...or China? How would that affect our nation? It already has -- the Dow dropped 188 points yesterday because of it. Could this affect oil prices? Should we be prepared for the possible ramifications that anarchy in other countries can have on our own, and how would we take the steps to become prepared for that? I'd love to hear everyone's ideas.

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The question is not "can it happen here" but "when will it happen here". I don't think it will be much longer, especially as fuel and food prices can be expected to rise.

 

The gov might stave off some of the unrest here if they increase food stamps and assistance for fuel costs. Will they do that? Hard to say, but it looks like they are decreasing social subsidies not increasing them.

 

Prepare for not being able to go to the store and possible grid down situations. Have protection in the home in case of break ins. Harden your home to prevent break ins. Be vigilant.

 

Get a dial up modem for your machine. Look into ham radio even if it is just to listen. Better to learn to transmit and all that, but the equipment is pricey. Radios that receive shortwave aren't too high.

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Egypt *is* a major country. I hope the White House looked through at least the most obvious three layers of what's going on there before publicly lecturing a man in Mubarak's position. I am *not* trying to start a political discussion. I'm saying there's danger on the left, danger on the right, and danger in the middle of the road. Egyptians are in an eight of swords situation, and I don't know if any path through and among the perils is better than any other. I also think we're past the point where most of the effective decisions can freely be made.

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Is fairly obvious the DC Politburo is working off the same game plan, pretty much, that was used during the "democratic" uprisings in Iran in the 1970's. Poor old Hosni is getting to play Mohammed Reza's old part in the show.

 

I'm sure it will work out just as well this time as it did in the first release.

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Without it being too political, the people in the ME cry out for democracy. Eventhough they may not always exactly know what it entails, they yearn for a less corrupt government.

The prices of food and fuel have risen so dramatically there that people can no longer even have the most basic. Not just the very poor, the lower middle classes feel it as well.

I am not sure how much news the USA have received about the entire ME but it started in Tunesia. A 22 year old university educated man could not find any kind of work. He sold fruit and vegetables on the street to support his parents and siblings.

He was brutally beaten away by the feared police there and the next day he set fire to himself in front of the parliament building as a last cry for help.

This spiralled into massive riots, deaths and the president fleeing the country.

It blew to Yemen and Jordan as well where people have been protesting though not as heavily. News about those countries has come to a standstill. This has made me suspicious.

Now since Egypt has shown it's younger best educated people to get up and protest, the rest of the population seems to join in. Although last night it resulted mostly in looting and robberies in well-to-do-houses. Armed neighbourhood watches have been formed to protect people's homes.

 

As a result of a large part of the ME being restless, so not just Egypt, the stockmarket is rather negative. Egypt has announced it's stockmarket will remain closed today and tomorrow. The price of crude oil has risen a fair bit already.

 

So Turtlemama, if your friends think this will not affect us, they are gravely mistaken. Depending on the level of support the USA wish to continue to give to Mubarrak, you and Europe are involved directly. Indirectly the food and fuels will affect us.

Last but not least, it's not unthinkable that the countries around there will see more civil unrest. Which can be like a fuse and a pair of matches in the wrong hands, set the area alight.

Now that will affect us more then you'd ever think.

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I think the ripples are already starting to affect Western Countries but most people don't realize it, see it or want to see it. The "It doesn't really matter until it happens to me and my family" philosophy. We have men and women in the ME for work, school and in the military so this DOES affect us. Just keep prepping and it seems like the possible scenarios are multiplying daily as to what a SHTF situation can be.

 

There was a report on Fox that many of the police officers are shedding their uniforms and joining in the protests (I'm sure for safety, too). There was a comment by an Egyptian individual that said the police have left it get out of control because of things that have occurred in the past. The part of that interview that was really interesting was the interviewee basically said that the Egyptian police could have gained control fairly easily (if you understand the police there), I'll admit my jaw dropped at that.

 

A panel member also made the comment that this had happened in Iran and the hands of power didn't change. My other thought to the people of Egypt is be careful of what you ask for because you might get it and it might be worse.

 

Christy~ We have seen a little bit about Jordan and the protests but the reports are basically on Egypt with little snippets about the rest of the ME.

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El Baradei, forner head of the IAEA, has stated he'd be willing to lead the transitional government. That was three days ago. He has been placed under housearrest.

Now the opposition led by the fundamentalistic Brotherhood of Islam have proposed him as well. I'm not sure where this would bring the country as I do not know his views on politics.

Mubarrak has effectively over the years destroyed every kind of opposition there was, thrown people in jail over false charges etc.

So now the initiative with the demonstrators, the young well educated, may turn against them. They most definitely do not want a religious government but might find themselves with one.

Mubarrak will most likely be overthrown and the mess afterwards could get real ugly.

 

No doubt, it will affect us. But even if it didn't, just think of all the people of Egypt who just want to earn a living, raise their kids and grow old in peace.

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Muslim Brotherhood and all the other extremist groups run by Iran are hoping that Egypt swings to extremism and they know Israel will not stand for that next door to them and will take action. Then the whole Middle East erupts in a renewed Jihad against Israel. If you don't think that will not effect oil prices and supply and cause a major upset in the world then you need to start paying attention to the news.

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The only report I've seen so far that really talks about the rest of the ME is one on BBC here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12204971

 

I watch Fox News and haven't seen much said about anything except what is going on in Egypt. There have been little mentions of Yemen and Tunisia but barely. I don't see how anyone could think that this wouldn't affect us. We have protesters (although peaceful to the point) in major US cities as well out to support their Egyptian relatives.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/29/protesters-offer-support-egyptians/

 

This is going to affect everyone even if it's just in food and gas prices. We've already started hearing speculation that gas prices in the US will be much higher by the end of spring and up to $4 by the end of the year. Prices have already started rising and even before this started in Egypt. I wonder what the new reports are.

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I FINALLY got a computer cord today so I am playing catch up!!!! Thought I would post some headlines here if anyone is interested.

 

 

 

Egyptian Civil Strife Sends Oil Close To $100 On Suez Canal Fears

 

Jordan's opposition: Arabs will topple tyrants

The leader of Jordan's powerful Muslim Brotherhood warned Saturday that unrest in Egypt will spread across the Mideast and Arabs will topple leaders allied with the United States.

 

Thousands Protest in Jordan...Demand P.M. Step down

http://english.aljaz...5157509196.html

 

Anti-government protest in Albania

 

New protests erupt in Yemen Activists calling for the ouster of president clash with government supporters in Sanaa.

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My focus is more on what all those people must be going through. The fear, real danger, violence, uncertainty and even death. My concern is the effect it is having on them rather than on any effect it might have on me.

 

If it should affect me directly then I will deal with it best as I can at that time. But whatever I may have to deal with in the future that results from this is nothing compared to what they must be going through now.

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This all has me worried... The whole world is on edge now... and all it will take, are the right circumstances, to reach that critical mass of change, to start things rolling... So, any event, or combination of events, can be the trigger. And as Glenn Beck has said... there are so many different groups, ready to take action, at the moment things start to change. The Communists/ Socialist/ Marxists.., the Islamic / Muslim extremists...Groups of different Races, Religions, Ideologies, etc will pounce like a cat on a mouse when the "right" time comes. Think about it.. even WE are poised to act at the " right" event.. We are already preparing... planning, waiting... I think the majority of us, just want to preserve what we have and not to conquer the world.... but there are those who do want this and they are the ones that scare me.

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I had a very "Dr. Strangelove"-type moment there, laughing as I was looking at pictures of mushroom clouds...I love the dark sarcasm in that song! Makes you think, right?

 

I heard this morning that the Muslim Brotherhood is apparently getting involved in the Egyptian protests...and that the current president does not plan to leave his post before the end of the year (when his term is supposed to end), but apparently his hopes for his son to succeed him are dashed.

 

Dave, I too feel horrible for the people living there who are having to deal with the horror and chaos around their homes. That must be...terribly frightening, although I know those measly words cannot describe their fear.

 

foxnews.com had an article this morning about how the protests in Egypt couldn't _possibly_ affect the price of gas in the United States...my gut instinct begs to differ...

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I feel worst for our American citizens stuck there trying to get out and the parents of US students studying there. Seems they would have moved quicker to get them out. I heard this AM that they would be trying to fly them out and billing them

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Yes I saw that too. They are suppose to be flying US citizens out but they will be billed for it and from what I heard they are only being moved to a 'safe haven' in a nearby country not home to America. Gee thanks I would feel a lot better if our citizens were back home! I feel bad for the people there too but I hope this turns out well for them. I'm afraid that's not going to happen though...

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Meanwhile, human nature is proving itself.. sigh...

 

Between the looting in houses, museums are heavily targeted. Already heard it on the news that civilians try to protect important musea and sites but it's not helping.

An interview with the head of Dutch museum for Antiquities this morning gave more facts. They were supposed to leave for their site today. Decided the safety of the team was not sure so they'll remain here.

He has reports of mummies being looted, sites dug up by hunters, vandalism, and people who try to protect it being shot.

Entire panels are ripped off tombwalls to be sold elsewhere.

 

We're member of the same archeological society and the 20th of february there's a big meeting. One of the topics will be is how to protect the past under such circumstances.

It may sound trivial in the light of all that is happening but a countries heritage, its past, is not to be destroyed at the hands of criminals.

 

The idea was to sketch the kind of things that happen when social structures fail. Roaming gangs of grave looters are always a problem in Egypt. Every archeological site has armed protection.

So 7 days into the civil unrest in Egypt we see the only ones who are really organized are the religious groups and the criminals.

Makes me think.

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