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So we've all heard about yet another [non-gun] absurd attack in London.  Guess ban on firearms is not stopping aggression/injury/death, right?  But what caught my attention, not surprisingly, was the CREATIVE adaptions the other people had for counter attack/defense.  And their counter attack was successful in stopping more deaths/injury.  Good for them!

 

I think that the code word for "creative adaptive defensive weapons" will ever now be known as NARWHAL TUSKS!  Can you believe that one? 

 

Soooooo.....  Look around you.  In the next couple minutes, see how many ....ahem, "narwhal tusks" you could lay hands on if necessary for defense.....[not counting your usual types of defensive items].

 

MtRider  ......  Lets get something positive out of this horrid attack. 

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It is disturbing the amount of attacks taking place in the UK and Europe as well as the dreadful killings that happened in America over the weekend. It appears that the closer to the festivities we get the crazies come out in numbers. I love a 40minute bus ride from Manchester city centre &my sister works in a local city council office that over looks an area that is set up each year for the Christmas market, it is lively and very well attended.

For the past few years there has been armed officers in the roof tops, and bollards out in place to stop cars and trucks driving into people.

One of the officers was talking to my sister whilst he was using the office kitchen, (there are a few of them in the roof, so they are up there a couple of hours then come down and use the breakrooms and facilities before toddling back up there.) The most vulnerable areas are the public transport busses, trams and trains. There is not enough armed officers to put on to each bus or each carrige of a train or tram, besides I think there would be a few upset people if they saw a covered up person with a gun sat down whilst they where on there travels.

As it has already been proven the crazies don't give a hoot what they attack so long as it is effective and they get maximum publicity, i.e. bombs on London underground & buses stabings on trains in Europe,

Cars and trucks used to mow people down, the world has gone mad, with the violent few appear to be on the increase, recruiting more with the resulting publicity.I

What a dreadful way to live.

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I'd think a sharp pointy stick would be a lot cheaper and as effective.

 

We live in such a violent world. Movies, TV, video games, internet, the news. What evil people don't think up on their own, they learn from the media. Stopping glamorizing and publicizing it might help. I doubt it though. The Genie is already out of the bottle. Its already out there.

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:hi:  Ro!   Have you had trouble getting back in toooo?  Didn't you used to have a ?cat? or something with your screen name?  I just tried to go back to members list and could not find the list. 

 

 

11 hours ago, Guest Ro2935 said:

As it has already been proven the crazies don't give a hoot what they attack so long as it is effective and they get maximum publicity, i.e. bombs on London underground & buses stabings on trains in Europe....

 

I agree that things are getting quite disturbing anywhere people gather.  But.....should we all stay home?  NO.  But we should have certain things that we keep watching for.  ---Odd behaviors.  ----Exits from any position we're in.  ----Access to even very odd defensive weapons...... 

 

What makes the narwhal tusk so UNUSUAL is that most folks have probably never heard of the sea critter it belongs to.  I think the guy was very quick-thinking.  As I read it, he ran back into a museum or something and grabbed it.  Museum or whoever was probably less impressed with this action but....did it save some lives?  Probably.  I LIKE the way some able folks got in there to STOP this creep.   Me.....  :behindsofa:   .....I might be OUTTA THERE!   Unless I knew folks in the gathering.....  :darthduck:    

 

One of the things I differentiate is the TARGETED Gang killings and Drug Cartels slaughter.....from the folks who just RANDOMLY attack as many as possible for a cause or for rage/fame or for other reasons of mental illness/maladjustment.

 

:sigh:   We're not doing well to stop either type of violence.

 

1.  Sooooo....anyone look around your house......or around yourself when you're at the store.....and find any defensive weapons, however ODD?

 

2.   Alternate assignment.....has anyone looked for a place to exit quickly at any point while you've been out an about?

 

Me......I'm carrying  something when out walking XXL dog.  That's 2 defenses....but neither are odd.  The ski pole I use as walking support has a very pointed end on it tho.  I could also swirl it around with some force if needed.  Bring it down on the nose of some 4-legged which is more probably my threat than 2-legged.  But...ya never know.

 

MtRider   :darthduck: 

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1.  In my house, there are numerous personal protective items in every room.  A perp, might be a little upset by getting pummeled with a letter opener, 3’ long metal ruler, or screw driver, until I can pull the concealed items, just in my office.  Lol.  The kitchen has the knife block... In the yard, I have various walking sticks stashed all over, jic I need one, then, garden tools etc.  

 

2.  Situation awareness.  Parking, scan the area, noting vehicles, buildings, doors & windows, and, of course, people.  Inside, keep scanning...  exits... even shelter... The WM shooting in TX is still in the news paper daily.  A constant reminder to stay alert, no matter how familiar I am with the stores or areas, and even the people.

Years ago, our town had a siren that went off, whenever there was a prison escape.  That trained me to always be aware (beware) of people and their actions.  Since the town doesn’t do that anymore, it has heightened my awareness, because now, we never know...

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I just prefer not to go out alone.  I plan my shopping etc., for a time when all three of us (with Abby-girl in her back seat deck if it's not summer and hot) can go together.  Once we were at the post office and a friend pecked on my side of the truck window...Abby nearly went through the window!  Scared the witts out of him.  Then another time we were somethe library and a friend tapped on my side of the truck window...same thing!  But in these days and times it's just not safe for a woman to be out alone.  Near my front door I have a can of the long range wasp spray.  That should give me time to get something more dangerous.  Our back door...has two entrance doors and there's plenty of "stuff" between the first one, the second one and then me.

 

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I joined USA alerts. Trust me you don't want to know all the mess going on around the world. The one I got earlier this evening was from Hong Kong.  I did not know there were 85,000 Americans working and living there.  The report is that police defused two sophisticated IEDs cont high explosives and nails on Queen's Road at the Wah Yan College. That region is on high alert. Seems there is a college or something around that area.  It did not say that Americans were the target, just gave the number of them living and working there. More will come on it as it develops.  Glad that they were able to get ahead of it before something bad really happened. 

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That sounds interesting Littlesister. I've never heard of that. I'm going to look into it. 

 

It's hard to NOT go out shopping alone when you live alone. Here is an exercise for you. Think of how your life would be different if you no longer (God Forbid!) had a man living in your home. No husband, fiance, brother, son, uncle or whatever. Kappy is lucky she has her BFF Mary. But what would you do differently if you were alone? 

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When I got divorced 40 years ago I lived on my own with my young daughter back then. Things then were no where what they are today.  For me that might be a tough one because my daughter and son in law have already said I would be living with them. So not sure if anything were to happen to DH and yes, God forbid that happening, That I would be alone for any amount of time. But if I were to be alone, I think one of the first things I would do is to sell this house and move to the country. I would want to get out of a neighborhood and what is now becoming a full blown urban town. I would have more room for a garden as well as chickens and maybe a goat. From there I really don't know. Right now I am starting to go out alone to shop but only during day time as DH just is not able to keep up and his balance is so bad I am afraid of his falling. For now I can't really think about what I would do from what I have stated above.  It is something to really think about.

Jeepers, You have given me some food for thought.  And I really do hope and pray  I won't be alone for that long.

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Yeah.....I'd be stuck.  I'd have to get rides from Senior Center.  They even come waaaay out here.  I'd have to trust that their vetting process is good for their drivers.  But then.....I'd have my "narwhal tusk" in my pocket.  :whistling:   

 

I'm glad to have Miz  XXL dog with me while DH is at work.  But she's not appropriate in stores.  Only partly a "service dog"  around home and my walking.  Her size would be a deterrent for many things....but not some big blow-up like a shooter situation.  Only more personally-targeted ones.  Opportunists might target an OLD LADY GIMP......  but not an old lady gimp with a XXL dog:grinning-smiley-044:   

 

Eventually.....go to Maui with kids/Grkids!!!

 

MtRider   :darthduck: 

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22 hours ago, Littlesister said:

USA alerts

 

Neither of us have the types of cell phones needed to have any type of apps.  We're strictly call and answer (some text) teeny tiny phones....and land line.

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5 hours ago, Jeepers said:

That sounds interesting Littlesister. I've never heard of that. I'm going to look into it. 

 

It's hard to NOT go out shopping alone when you live alone. Here is an exercise for you. Think of how your life would be different if you no longer (God Forbid!) had a man living in your home. No husband, fiance, brother, son, uncle or whatever. Kappy is lucky she has her BFF Mary. But what would you do differently if you were alone? 

 

I'd probably keep my Abby-girl but would apply for a service dog that would allow me to take it any place I went....and I would definitely pack some heat.

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WE2, the USA a alerts cost 49 dollars a year. You know what's going on all over the world and all the stuff going on here in US before it ever hits the news.  I like it because it gives me a edge if something bad should happen close to home. I would have a better chance of removing myself from harms way. Don't know if you heard about what was happening in Florida and elsewhere. The military bases and such. I knew what was going on at least 2 hours before it ever hit the news. 

My married granddaugher has a service dog. She took the dog in as she is finds homes for them. She is a rescue person for dogs and cats. She kept this one and another dog. But the service dog, though she does not use her as a service dog is one smart dog and very protective.  I am glad she kept her because right now her husband being military is in Texas right now. So she has her 2 dogs and a lady whose husband is also away for military is staying with her.  So I feel a bit better that she is not alone. 

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i started carrying my concealed weapon in an ankle holster.  Its easier to duck down & grab it then try to draw it from my currently crooked position.  I always wanted to take my metal cane and make a zip gun out of it, but never got around to it.  Of course, they were illegal in my old home.  Dont know about here though.....Lots of folks in this area are armed and open carry.  It took some getting used to, but I prefer concealed.  Why give someone the knowledge that I am armed....folks have been known to attack folks to steal their guns right off their sides.  The know someone is not as apt to just open fire and spray lead in a crowded area....at least most folks won't....I am hearing lots of ads for edged weapons (tiger lady restractible 'claws' for women to use to slash, etc.  Edged weapons are on the rise big time.....  

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I can't drive myself.  Public transportation imposes a $20 surcharge (each way) to come this far out.  Isolation is a real issue.

 

As soon as I go to part time, I'd like to get another dog.  Our best experiences have been with a pedigreed white GSD (discarded by some South Carolina transplants who signed a no-pets lease) and a golden retriever mixed with shepherd/collie/something.  The rott and rottie mixes I owned or kept were great dogs too, except one that challenged me when I didn't know how to respond--and that was my fault.  The pitties were a mixed bag, most of them giant chihuahuas.  I wouldn't get another chow.  A dog is a weapon and a half.  Also a liability and a half, if not handled correctly.

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As most of you know, service dogs is a hot topic for me. A properly trained dog and a "therapy" dog are two different...animals. Unruly dogs in public really anger me. Of course unruly people in public really anger me too.  JMHO. 

 

Dogs are too easily shot or kicked but I do see the great value of them in and around the home! I always had beagles. So darn cute. Not so good at attack but a very good warning signal. A-rooo roooooo. I have to think of g-sons safety around a big dog now. They have two small yappers. Nothing and I mean nothing gets past them. 

 

I want to get a police scanner when I get moved. I like knowing what's going on in my neighborhood during a crisis. I have one on the computer and Kindle Fire and it's works very well for the area I'm in. I also set it for my other area in Indy but not much is going on there. Either that's a good thing or the program isn't working well for that area. Come to think of it, it might not be a proper police scanner per se because it says something about a person needs to be online operating it. Although you do hear the dispatcher and police. it's a free APP. I'd like one of those portable scanners like a cordless phone. 

 

I'd like to have a ham receiver. I don't think I'm smart enough any more for the whole set up. I can't remember cr@p for a test. Truth is the truth. I have a shortwave radio but it's difficult. So many things in other languages that I can't understand. Also a lot of religious broadcasting. Nothing wrong with either one but I want news related issues with a SW radio. There is also a lot of channel fading in and out during the day/night. It isn't much on set it and forget it. 

 

I really blew it big time on some personal protection. But I'll write about it down in the private area. 

 

 

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Jeepers, I have to agree with both you and Ambergris about having a good guard dog. I would love to have one like the one I had years ago. She was overy protective.  I really loved that dog. Nothing nor nobody would come into our yard when she was around. Would go for the throat and then ask questions. Yet she was wonderful around all the neighborhood kids. I have been thinking about a police scanner for awhile now but haven't had time to look at them. As for ham radio, I have been saying I will do that but then again no time. 

 

Ambergris, It is bad that you can't drive but hopefully that will change.  $20.00 each way on top of what else you have to pay is very steep.  That is one reason I have to really think about where I move. I want to move to country, but then at my age, how would that work out. Daughter says wait. They are making plans. She is moving to the country first chance she gets. SIL wants to move to W. VA but she doesn't want to move there. So it's a wait and see at this point in time. 

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