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So we've all heard about yet another [non-gun] absurd attack in London.  Guess ban on firearms is not stopping aggression/injury/death, right?  But what caught my attention, not surprisingly, was the CREATIVE adaptions the other people had for counter attack/defense.  And their counter attack was successful in stopping more deaths/injury.  Good for them!

 

I think that the code word for "creative adaptive defensive weapons" will ever now be known as NARWHAL TUSKS!  Can you believe that one? 

 

Soooooo.....  Look around you.  In the next couple minutes, see how many ....ahem, "narwhal tusks" you could lay hands on if necessary for defense.....[not counting your usual types of defensive items].

 

MtRider  ......  Lets get something positive out of this horrid attack. 

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It is disturbing the amount of attacks taking place in the UK and Europe as well as the dreadful killings that happened in America over the weekend. It appears that the closer to the festivities we get the crazies come out in numbers. I love a 40minute bus ride from Manchester city centre &my sister works in a local city council office that over looks an area that is set up each year for the Christmas market, it is lively and very well attended.

For the past few years there has been armed officers in the roof tops, and bollards out in place to stop cars and trucks driving into people.

One of the officers was talking to my sister whilst he was using the office kitchen, (there are a few of them in the roof, so they are up there a couple of hours then come down and use the breakrooms and facilities before toddling back up there.) The most vulnerable areas are the public transport busses, trams and trains. There is not enough armed officers to put on to each bus or each carrige of a train or tram, besides I think there would be a few upset people if they saw a covered up person with a gun sat down whilst they where on there travels.

As it has already been proven the crazies don't give a hoot what they attack so long as it is effective and they get maximum publicity, i.e. bombs on London underground & buses stabings on trains in Europe,

Cars and trucks used to mow people down, the world has gone mad, with the violent few appear to be on the increase, recruiting more with the resulting publicity.I

What a dreadful way to live.

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I'd think a sharp pointy stick would be a lot cheaper and as effective.

 

We live in such a violent world. Movies, TV, video games, internet, the news. What evil people don't think up on their own, they learn from the media. Stopping glamorizing and publicizing it might help. I doubt it though. The Genie is already out of the bottle. Its already out there.

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:hi:  Ro!   Have you had trouble getting back in toooo?  Didn't you used to have a ?cat? or something with your screen name?  I just tried to go back to members list and could not find the list. 

 

 

11 hours ago, Guest Ro2935 said:

As it has already been proven the crazies don't give a hoot what they attack so long as it is effective and they get maximum publicity, i.e. bombs on London underground & buses stabings on trains in Europe....

 

I agree that things are getting quite disturbing anywhere people gather.  But.....should we all stay home?  NO.  But we should have certain things that we keep watching for.  ---Odd behaviors.  ----Exits from any position we're in.  ----Access to even very odd defensive weapons...... 

 

What makes the narwhal tusk so UNUSUAL is that most folks have probably never heard of the sea critter it belongs to.  I think the guy was very quick-thinking.  As I read it, he ran back into a museum or something and grabbed it.  Museum or whoever was probably less impressed with this action but....did it save some lives?  Probably.  I LIKE the way some able folks got in there to STOP this creep.   Me.....  :behindsofa:   .....I might be OUTTA THERE!   Unless I knew folks in the gathering.....  :darthduck:    

 

One of the things I differentiate is the TARGETED Gang killings and Drug Cartels slaughter.....from the folks who just RANDOMLY attack as many as possible for a cause or for rage/fame or for other reasons of mental illness/maladjustment.

 

:sigh:   We're not doing well to stop either type of violence.

 

1.  Sooooo....anyone look around your house......or around yourself when you're at the store.....and find any defensive weapons, however ODD?

 

2.   Alternate assignment.....has anyone looked for a place to exit quickly at any point while you've been out an about?

 

Me......I'm carrying  something when out walking XXL dog.  That's 2 defenses....but neither are odd.  The ski pole I use as walking support has a very pointed end on it tho.  I could also swirl it around with some force if needed.  Bring it down on the nose of some 4-legged which is more probably my threat than 2-legged.  But...ya never know.

 

MtRider   :darthduck: 

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1.  In my house, there are numerous personal protective items in every room.  A perp, might be a little upset by getting pummeled with a letter opener, 3’ long metal ruler, or screw driver, until I can pull the concealed items, just in my office.  Lol.  The kitchen has the knife block... In the yard, I have various walking sticks stashed all over, jic I need one, then, garden tools etc.  

 

2.  Situation awareness.  Parking, scan the area, noting vehicles, buildings, doors & windows, and, of course, people.  Inside, keep scanning...  exits... even shelter... The WM shooting in TX is still in the news paper daily.  A constant reminder to stay alert, no matter how familiar I am with the stores or areas, and even the people.

Years ago, our town had a siren that went off, whenever there was a prison escape.  That trained me to always be aware (beware) of people and their actions.  Since the town doesn’t do that anymore, it has heightened my awareness, because now, we never know...

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I just prefer not to go out alone.  I plan my shopping etc., for a time when all three of us (with Abby-girl in her back seat deck if it's not summer and hot) can go together.  Once we were at the post office and a friend pecked on my side of the truck window...Abby nearly went through the window!  Scared the witts out of him.  Then another time we were somethe library and a friend tapped on my side of the truck window...same thing!  But in these days and times it's just not safe for a woman to be out alone.  Near my front door I have a can of the long range wasp spray.  That should give me time to get something more dangerous.  Our back door...has two entrance doors and there's plenty of "stuff" between the first one, the second one and then me.

 

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I joined USA alerts. Trust me you don't want to know all the mess going on around the world. The one I got earlier this evening was from Hong Kong.  I did not know there were 85,000 Americans working and living there.  The report is that police defused two sophisticated IEDs cont high explosives and nails on Queen's Road at the Wah Yan College. That region is on high alert. Seems there is a college or something around that area.  It did not say that Americans were the target, just gave the number of them living and working there. More will come on it as it develops.  Glad that they were able to get ahead of it before something bad really happened. 

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That sounds interesting Littlesister. I've never heard of that. I'm going to look into it. 

 

It's hard to NOT go out shopping alone when you live alone. Here is an exercise for you. Think of how your life would be different if you no longer (God Forbid!) had a man living in your home. No husband, fiance, brother, son, uncle or whatever. Kappy is lucky she has her BFF Mary. But what would you do differently if you were alone? 

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When I got divorced 40 years ago I lived on my own with my young daughter back then. Things then were no where what they are today.  For me that might be a tough one because my daughter and son in law have already said I would be living with them. So not sure if anything were to happen to DH and yes, God forbid that happening, That I would be alone for any amount of time. But if I were to be alone, I think one of the first things I would do is to sell this house and move to the country. I would want to get out of a neighborhood and what is now becoming a full blown urban town. I would have more room for a garden as well as chickens and maybe a goat. From there I really don't know. Right now I am starting to go out alone to shop but only during day time as DH just is not able to keep up and his balance is so bad I am afraid of his falling. For now I can't really think about what I would do from what I have stated above.  It is something to really think about.

Jeepers, You have given me some food for thought.  And I really do hope and pray  I won't be alone for that long.

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Yeah.....I'd be stuck.  I'd have to get rides from Senior Center.  They even come waaaay out here.  I'd have to trust that their vetting process is good for their drivers.  But then.....I'd have my "narwhal tusk" in my pocket.  :whistling:   

 

I'm glad to have Miz  XXL dog with me while DH is at work.  But she's not appropriate in stores.  Only partly a "service dog"  around home and my walking.  Her size would be a deterrent for many things....but not some big blow-up like a shooter situation.  Only more personally-targeted ones.  Opportunists might target an OLD LADY GIMP......  but not an old lady gimp with a XXL dog:grinning-smiley-044:   

 

Eventually.....go to Maui with kids/Grkids!!!

 

MtRider   :darthduck: 

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22 hours ago, Littlesister said:

USA alerts

 

Neither of us have the types of cell phones needed to have any type of apps.  We're strictly call and answer (some text) teeny tiny phones....and land line.

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5 hours ago, Jeepers said:

That sounds interesting Littlesister. I've never heard of that. I'm going to look into it. 

 

It's hard to NOT go out shopping alone when you live alone. Here is an exercise for you. Think of how your life would be different if you no longer (God Forbid!) had a man living in your home. No husband, fiance, brother, son, uncle or whatever. Kappy is lucky she has her BFF Mary. But what would you do differently if you were alone? 

 

I'd probably keep my Abby-girl but would apply for a service dog that would allow me to take it any place I went....and I would definitely pack some heat.

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WE2, the USA a alerts cost 49 dollars a year. You know what's going on all over the world and all the stuff going on here in US before it ever hits the news.  I like it because it gives me a edge if something bad should happen close to home. I would have a better chance of removing myself from harms way. Don't know if you heard about what was happening in Florida and elsewhere. The military bases and such. I knew what was going on at least 2 hours before it ever hit the news. 

My married granddaugher has a service dog. She took the dog in as she is finds homes for them. She is a rescue person for dogs and cats. She kept this one and another dog. But the service dog, though she does not use her as a service dog is one smart dog and very protective.  I am glad she kept her because right now her husband being military is in Texas right now. So she has her 2 dogs and a lady whose husband is also away for military is staying with her.  So I feel a bit better that she is not alone. 

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i started carrying my concealed weapon in an ankle holster.  Its easier to duck down & grab it then try to draw it from my currently crooked position.  I always wanted to take my metal cane and make a zip gun out of it, but never got around to it.  Of course, they were illegal in my old home.  Dont know about here though.....Lots of folks in this area are armed and open carry.  It took some getting used to, but I prefer concealed.  Why give someone the knowledge that I am armed....folks have been known to attack folks to steal their guns right off their sides.  The know someone is not as apt to just open fire and spray lead in a crowded area....at least most folks won't....I am hearing lots of ads for edged weapons (tiger lady restractible 'claws' for women to use to slash, etc.  Edged weapons are on the rise big time.....  

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I can't drive myself.  Public transportation imposes a $20 surcharge (each way) to come this far out.  Isolation is a real issue.

 

As soon as I go to part time, I'd like to get another dog.  Our best experiences have been with a pedigreed white GSD (discarded by some South Carolina transplants who signed a no-pets lease) and a golden retriever mixed with shepherd/collie/something.  The rott and rottie mixes I owned or kept were great dogs too, except one that challenged me when I didn't know how to respond--and that was my fault.  The pitties were a mixed bag, most of them giant chihuahuas.  I wouldn't get another chow.  A dog is a weapon and a half.  Also a liability and a half, if not handled correctly.

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As most of you know, service dogs is a hot topic for me. A properly trained dog and a "therapy" dog are two different...animals. Unruly dogs in public really anger me. Of course unruly people in public really anger me too.  JMHO. 

 

Dogs are too easily shot or kicked but I do see the great value of them in and around the home! I always had beagles. So darn cute. Not so good at attack but a very good warning signal. A-rooo roooooo. I have to think of g-sons safety around a big dog now. They have two small yappers. Nothing and I mean nothing gets past them. 

 

I want to get a police scanner when I get moved. I like knowing what's going on in my neighborhood during a crisis. I have one on the computer and Kindle Fire and it's works very well for the area I'm in. I also set it for my other area in Indy but not much is going on there. Either that's a good thing or the program isn't working well for that area. Come to think of it, it might not be a proper police scanner per se because it says something about a person needs to be online operating it. Although you do hear the dispatcher and police. it's a free APP. I'd like one of those portable scanners like a cordless phone. 

 

I'd like to have a ham receiver. I don't think I'm smart enough any more for the whole set up. I can't remember cr@p for a test. Truth is the truth. I have a shortwave radio but it's difficult. So many things in other languages that I can't understand. Also a lot of religious broadcasting. Nothing wrong with either one but I want news related issues with a SW radio. There is also a lot of channel fading in and out during the day/night. It isn't much on set it and forget it. 

 

I really blew it big time on some personal protection. But I'll write about it down in the private area. 

 

 

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Jeepers, I have to agree with both you and Ambergris about having a good guard dog. I would love to have one like the one I had years ago. She was overy protective.  I really loved that dog. Nothing nor nobody would come into our yard when she was around. Would go for the throat and then ask questions. Yet she was wonderful around all the neighborhood kids. I have been thinking about a police scanner for awhile now but haven't had time to look at them. As for ham radio, I have been saying I will do that but then again no time. 

 

Ambergris, It is bad that you can't drive but hopefully that will change.  $20.00 each way on top of what else you have to pay is very steep.  That is one reason I have to really think about where I move. I want to move to country, but then at my age, how would that work out. Daughter says wait. They are making plans. She is moving to the country first chance she gets. SIL wants to move to W. VA but she doesn't want to move there. So it's a wait and see at this point in time. 

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On 12/5/2019 at 8:10 PM, The WE2's said:

Near my front door I have a can of the long range wasp spray. 

 

Wasp spray for self-defense?

 

"Wasp spray, for the record, should never be used in lieu of OC or pepper spray. Let’s put this myth to rest with some facts on why insect spray should stay in the cupboard.

 

LEGAL WOES
Legal warning on a can of Wasp Spray: “It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.” 

That little nugget is the very first sentence written under directions of use. Before the company even delves into describing how to use the product, they want to ensure you know that it is illegal to use it for anything other than the killing of insects.

 

By KNOWINGLY CARRYING wasp spray as a self-defense tool, you not only are placing yourself in danger (which we’ll get to later) but you’re also opening yourself up to some legal repercussions. You will have quite the time trying to explain to the bad guy’s lawyer why you were using a product outside of its intended purposes when it clearly states not to do so."

 

http://www.guns.com/2015/10/30/wasp-spray-for-self-defense/

 

On 12/12/2019 at 12:01 PM, Jeepers said:

I like knowing what's going on in my neighborhood during a crisis.

 

If you are on FB you can check and see if your neighborhood has a NexDoor group.  There are several groups that I belong to that keep me up to date with the goings on:

Redding Crime group, Shasta Cty Crime group, Traffic and Disaster group, and possibly one or two more! :D

 

We have people that listen to the scanners then post the info in the group. Lots of times I find out what is going on locally (and sometimes statewide or nationally) BEFORE the news even has a chance to report it! It's pretty helpful. if I want to use the freeway to go into town I always check first for accidents, traffic jams, and road conditions.

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Probably have issues with other protection devices too.  Guess one has to take their chances? If I have time to get what I normally would reach for ... great ... but it's not here at this place right now.  Only the big, black, long thing that goes "rack-rack" which would do much more harm than any spray.

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1 hour ago, Midnightmom said:

It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

 

 

I wonder if the narwhal tusk has that label??????    :008Laughing:

 

If I'm in fear of my life.....I'll grab whatever comes to hand and worry about tomorrow..... if I'm successful in being alive tomorrow!  

 

OnTheOtherHand.....guess that can of wasp spray should not be a carry-item.  Seriously.  The wasp spray folks cannot be held responsible for your safety if you use it for harming the neighborhood pervert or ax murderer.  NOR can they be held responsible for your success or lack of success in protecting yourself with this unconventional item.  :shrug:  Fair enough. 

 

But I'm in BEAR COUNTRY and I carry bear spray.  For bears....of course.   Rogue elk.   [NOT kidding]   Wolves   [RARE but not kidding on that either]  I suppose the bear spray can might have in small print:  For bears only.  :shrug:  Mt Lions get a pass?   I think it does say not to use on bear-ish humans.  :buttercup:

 

Seriously tho....Thanks for the legal data, Midnight!  As bizarre as our legal stuff is....we do need to know:thumbs:   

 

MtRider  :darthduck: ....checking for fine print on Duckie's lightsaber. 

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I wonder if the wasp spray warning label is to cover the company's butt? Maybe it's illegal to carry it around for protection but what about in your house? If McDonald's can get sued (and lose) for having hot coffee that you ordered, that you sat between your legs, in a moving vehicle, then I can see why they would have a warning label on the spray can.  If I had a can of it in my house sitting on the counter by the door and grabbed it to use as self-defense then...:shrug:. If it's between my and my family's life and an intruders life, guess who is gonna fight like a she devil with anything she can get her hands on. Better wasp spray in your eyes than a bullet in your...heart. I rest my case your honor.  :D    That isn't totally true about the spray. I do use the stuff on those things that build those 'paper' nests.  They look like yellow jackets. That spray shoots out a straight steady stream (say that three times fast) and it reaches up to my second story house. Just make sure the wind isn't blowing. 

 

I don't do Facebook. But my DIL has that neighborhood thing from Facebook on her phone. So far all she has gotten is when there is a power outage. She guessed that one when the lights went out. Good to know if you are away from home, I guess.

 

Narwhal warning on forehead.  WARNING: SHARP POINTY OBJECT AHEAD ON HEAD. 

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We have a neighborhood watch that is done by e-mail.  We know everything going on in all the neighborhoods around us. Not just ours. It works out great. it has caght car thiefs a few months ago. And yesterday it was posted that a car and gave discription of it driving late at night very slow casing our neigborhood and the one next to us. So everyone was watching him. He knew if he tried anything he would be caught right then and there. So it has worked out great so far. 

We have bear spray as well. And as for the wasp spray, I have heard of people talking about using it for self defense. I am also thinking about getting a good bat to keep at the door during the day and by the bed at night.  If they get in they will be knocked out and the police can deal with them. That's if they don't get shot first. I can't answer for all states, but I have heard that in VA. home invasions are on the rise. That is not good with the condom laws they are trying to pass here now. 

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16 hours ago, Mt_Rider said:

Seriously tho....Thanks for the legal data, Midnight!  As bizarre as our legal stuff is....we do need to know:thumbs:   

 

 

I belong to a CCW group on FB and you wouldn't believe how many times I've posted that same article in there! People who SHOULD know better telling people who don't know any better that they should carry wasp spray for self-defense. :(  I mostly do it because the ones GIVING the advice might be in as much trouble as the ones taking the advice! I certainly would not want to take on that additional liability, so I leave a trail of bread crumbs to establish MY own reluctance to "violate" federal law. :/ 

 

(I just know thought of the possibility that someone who has been harmed by this method creating a class action lawsuit and suing EVERYONE in ANY of the groups I am in for recommending using this product in this way, OR for NOT DISCOURAGING it (and thereby seen as 'encouraging' this misuse) being added to the money pool for damages.) :O

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Yes, Midnightmon. Always good to to put the information out there. Especially in this lawsuit world. So, we here at Mrs. S. have warned you not to do it. Not promoting it.  :)

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Jeepers, that coffee was not fit for human consumption; it would have required skin grafts on her mouth and tongue and throat if she had drunk any of it.  McDonald's was serving it that hot to save money on cream.  McDonald's has spent a fortune burying the truth.  Please watch this video, please.  https://www.eater.com/2016/12/14/13955424/mcdonalds-hot-coffee-lawsuit-video    And consider coffee as a defensive weapon.  Hey, it's legal.  Find a way to pressurize the stuff, and aim it, and there you go.

 

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