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15 hours ago, Ambergris said:


The news has a story of a man seeing a woman in the road with all but her underwear burned off, barefoot, with her mouth all black.  He got her into his car, explaining to her he had to go find his wife.  She finally got out that she was his wife.  Moral--if you have to travel, wear good, heavy shoes, layers of clothes, and a wool scarf over your face.   


Yeah. That took place about 15 miles from us, on Monday night when the fire went roaring down the canyon pushed by that windstorm. Their 13 year old son and 73 year old grandmother didn't make it out.  They are a well known and loved family in our area. :sad-smiley-012:We had searchers everywhere looking for the little boy for two days in the midst of the hot zone. He tried to take shelter in a car.


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......tragic.  Too many lost in this fire season.  WINDS!  Just insane wind conditions flaring up.  I just talked to my niece in Oregon.  They're ok....none near them.  But they have a plan to grab and run.  She carried all vital paperwork in her purse.  Grab memory boxes and Out The Door!  She's of the firm opinion that everything else can be replaced...and they have all the appropriate insurance on house.  :thumbs:


How is it going in your area, Babysteps?  Are you still at the first level of alert?  How is everyone handling this Monster Issue in your lives at the moment?


MtRider  :pray:  Weather changes....rain falls...fires die.  :pray:  

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In Oregon, 46 large fires have burned over 900,000 acres since Monday, according to Gov. Kate Brown – nearly double the state's average of 500,000 acres burned annually.

And in Washington, over 480,000 acres have burned this week, more than twice the state's total from all of 2019.

The Doe Fire is now the biggest in California history
This week, California's Doe Fire became the largest blaze in state history after state officials reported it had grown to 491,000 acres – roughly 768 square miles. If the fire were a city, it would be the second-biggest in the US by area, behind only Anchorage, Alaska.  The fire that previously ranked as California's biggest, the Mendocino Complex Fire, burned about 459,000 acres in 2018.  The Doe Fire is part of the more than 746,000-acre August Complex Fire (the term for a collection of fires), which began as 37 different blazes in the Mendocino National Forest on August 17, after lightning sparked hundreds of blazes across California.  Overall, more than 3.1 million acres have burned in California – more than any other year on record, though around two months still remain in the fire season.

"It's a historic season on top of a historic season that replaced a historic season. We just keep setting new precedents, and then we keep destroying them," Sean Norman, a battalion chief with the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire), told the Associated Press.

The third- and fourth-biggest fires in California history are also burning right now: the SCU Lightning Complex and the LNU Lightning Complex Fires. Those have burned about 397,000 and 363,000 acres respectively since they started in August, and are 98 and 95% contained. 

Other fires across the state include the North Complex Fire, which has burned more 247,000 acres in and around Butte County, destroyed 2,000 structures, and killed at least 10 people. Sixteen people are still missing. Additionally, at least two people died this week in the Slater Fire in Siskiyou County, according to Cal Fire.   All told, 20 people have died this year in California's 2020 wildfire season.

Unprecedented fires in the Pacific Northwest have killed at least five and forced tens of thousands to evacuate.  In Oregon, the 182,000-acre Santiam/Beachie Creek Fire has killed at least two people: a 12-year-old boy and his grandmother. Another blaze, the 3,200-acre Almeda Fire near the town of Medford, has killed at least two others.  On Friday, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown said that 500,000 people — more than 10% of the state — were told to prepare to evacuate, according to the Associated Press, while at least 40,000 have been ordered to evacuate.  In Washington, large fires are also triggering evacuations and causing deaths. A one-year-old boy died after he and his parents were found along the banks of the Columbia River, fleeing the approximately 188,000-acre Cold Springs Fire; their truck was found abandoned and wrecked nearby. His parents suffered third-degree burns and are now in a Seattle hospital, according to the Seattle Times.

Recent trends show a clear pattern: California's 10 largest wildfires ever have all occurred since the year 2000. Five of those 10 happened this year.

Bigger and more frequent seasonal blazes are expected to erupt more and more often as California's land gets hotter and drier due to climate change. A recent analysis from Stanford University found that since the 1980s, the average temperature during California's wildfire season has risen by more than 2 degrees Fahrenheit. Overall precipitation in the season, meanwhile, has dropped by 30%. Those conditions have more than doubled the state's number of extreme wildfire risk days in the autumn.

"This is very much a way station on the path to a new future," Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at the University of California, Los Angeles, told BuzzFeed News on Thursday. "We have not reached the peak. In fact, no one knows where the peak is."

California's average fire season now lasts 75 days longer than it did in the early 2000s, according to Cal Fire.  Fire season is getting more extreme north of California, too. A study published in January predicted that in the Pacific Northwest region, climate change "will drive lower fuel moisture and longer fire seasons in the future, likely increasing the frequency and extent of fires compared to the twentieth century."

"It is the bellwether of the future. We are feeling the acute impacts of climate change," Gov. Brown tweeted on Thursday. "We are seeing its acute impacts in Oregon, on the West Coast and frankly in the entire world."

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DH mentioned, the media isn’t covering it, but, the law enforcement is, that many of the fires are being started by the protesters.

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The Douglas County Sheriff is asking people to stop saying that, Annarchy.  They say it is not true.  Similarly, the Medford Police have stated that the Proud Boys have not been seen setting fires.

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Several of the fires *were* caused by arson, but none have been confirmed to be people connected to the protests. 


We are still at level 1 (be ready) and the fire isn't making much progress our direction. The weather has cooperated a little - it's been cooler and damp yesterday and today. No rain but we'll take what moisture we can get! :)


Our air quality is still ghastly. It's so far off the charts that they don't even know what sort of health effects it will have. Anything over 300 is hazardous and we're clocking numbers over 1000 in some areas. (Not here, although we were up to 979 the other day). 


It's hard to stay at even a medium-low level of "ready" all the time. I thought I was doing good and then yesterday I just cried like a baby about going to work on Monday. The thought of leaving my babies home alone in a evac zone - even though they're mostly teens, fully capable, and we're only at a level 1 - while hubby and I go off to work just freaked me out completely.


And don't get me started on our governor, lol. Let's just say that a lot of people have good reason to be extremely unhappy at her handling of this situation. 


Beachie Creek fire is closing in on 190,000 acres and has combined with the Lionshead fire which is around 130,000 if i remember right. And they are a mile away from combining with the Riverside fire which is another 150,000. 


And there are at least 3 other large fires in the state and a couple dozen smaller ones. 



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4 hours ago, babysteps said:

It's hard to stay at even a medium-low level of "ready" all the time. I thought I was doing good and then yesterday I just cried like a baby about going to work on Monday. The thought of leaving my babies home alone in a evac zone - even though they're mostly teens, fully capable, and we're only at a level 1 - while hubby and I go off to work just freaked me out completely.


:hug3:   EVERYTHING about major disasters is so emotionally draining.  And these wildfires can go on and on and on....  That's like a slow leak of emotions/energy/confidence.  The lead-up to a major hurricane must be dreadful too...  The major one I was in, Iniki....was a sneak attack.  No lead-up with morbid anticipation.  Wake up and it's turned and it's here!  When you're in POSSIBLE EVAC....aaaaugh!    Even if you're ready and confident and mostly just alert, it will still take a toll and you'll :runcirclsmiley2:  now and again. 

Do your teens have a vehicle and can drive, I assume?  Or ...how far away do you or your dh work?  That would be harsh.  And air quality is such that they can't spend the day in a park near you...with dog/cat/rabbit populations....  oye! 


Any friends/family further towards your work or further away from the direction of the fire that can 'adopt' them daily?  Are your schools started yet...another complication.  :( 


MtRider  .....praying....RAIN...SOLID, NON-ERODING RAIN... :pray: 

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Happy day! We have been taken OFF the evac alerts completely 😊 


No rain yet but lots of damp fog so far. The smoke and fog together makes driving extra fun (yikes) but I'll happily deal with driving by braille if it means we are getting these fires under control. 


Officially 0% containment still, but they are making progress!


My kids still at home are 17, 16, 14, 7 and 1. So two of them can drive and they do have a vehicle to use, and no it's not LOGICAL for me to suddenly panic over leaving them, and yet... that's where I was yesterday. Today is a better day. 😊 

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That's better news Babysteps! 


It's better to have a few minor breakdowns than one big one. I figure we are like a pressure canner. That jiggler lets out just enough pressure to keep the pot from blowing its top.  :hug3:

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4 hours ago, babysteps said:

and no it's not LOGICAL for me to suddenly panic over leaving them, and yet.

....and yet......of course it's still a huge concern!!!   For moms  [and dads if they clue in] it doesn't need to be logical to be a huge concern!  And remember, you've been thru a traumatic event....even if the worst didn't happen.  You spent hours and hours under the potential of the worst happening.  You'll be hyper-aware of life's fragility for a while.  It's normal.  It will go away.  Being OFF ALERTS will give a great deal of assurance.  :amen: 


MtRider  ....gooood news!!!  :balloons: 

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Well zowie, we sure got the rain we needed last night. To the point that we were issued flash flood and tornado watches, lol. 


Those alerts came across our phones yesterday and my 16 year old just laughed. Her comment was that at this point they could announce godzilla or alien invaders and she'd just figure "yep. 2020." 


For the first time in 2 weeks, the air smells fresh outside. 😊

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babysteps, so glad you got that much needed rain. There is a lot of great info on here about what to do. i am going to have to make time to go through a read it all.  I have read some of it but not enough time right now to read all of it.  Things I should know even though we are not in an area that has what you are going through. Though a lot of that can apply to hurricane evacs as well. 


Granddaughter from CA called today and said they have clear skies for now. No smoke.  So they have been trying to get yard work done and spent some time in the pool.  She said the smoke could be back in the next day or two.   If I don't hear from my granddaughter in Washington State tomorrow I am going to call her. I know she stays really busy with her job and her DH has been working nights at the VA hosp. So need to check on her again as well. 

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1 hour ago, Littlesister said:

Though a lot of that can apply to hurricane evacs as well. 

That's true.  Most of what we do prepping can apply to most emergencies and disasters.  A bit of shifting for winter and summer BOBs, etc.


Soooo glad your area got rain, Babysteps.  Less happy that it came in such quantities that you shift from wildfire to floods.  However, do take note:  Flash Floods are the Child of Wildfires.   EROSION WILL HAPPEN!  Check your normal routes for mud/dirt/rock slides...look up!  Look down for undercutting of roadways!    :sigh:  


Our area spent the next 2 years with horrific flooding and damage.  Had a BOULDER the size of a motorhome slide down the mountain about the length of a city block.  Toward a major highway....stopped before it became a problem.  Still sitting in it's new location.  We went from Fire Mitigation to Flood Mitigation.  Your area has just done that shift.  However, floods tho deadly too, are a little more predictable so I'd take that over wildfire!!!!   Almost anything is better than wildfire. 


MtRider  :amen: 

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Here is a link to a news story.  This man waited and got trapped by Oregon fires.  But he really used his head, stayed calm, kept going from Plan A...staying ...to Plan B... evac....trying several variations of Plan B.  None worked.  So he got to Plan C ...survive the fire.  He had to shift several times with that plan too but he did survive.  He kept his head and watched for unexpected resources. 




MtRider  :thumbs: 



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