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I made 10 lbs of meatballs tonight for dinner and to freeze. I hate mixing it with my hands so I wear nitrile gloves. I was trying to be as careful as I possibly could taking them off to see how hard it would be to take off contaminated gloves. I couldn't do it. I made three different batches and very time I tried, I wound up with little particles on me. It made me think that if i can't get them off without contaminating myself with something I can visibly SEE, how is anyone so darn sure they can take theirs off without contaminating themselves with microscopic particles? I know, it's only meatball mix, but still... lol... makes me wonder.

It appears that common sense isn't all that common these days. How can someone come back from an area ravaged with disease and not willingly quarantine themselves?

It would indeed be blessed news to see this monster decline.

 

I FINALLY got into a site that would let me scroll down the page ...re: the nurse. Saw the pics.

 

OK....unheated tents are not going to be the solution for ANY type of quarantine in winter in the north. Did they not have a quarantine-ready hospital in all of NJ??? If their airport is one where these returning flights are coming in, somebody has to get better accommodations than a boy scout jamboree. If she HAD become deathly ill, how could they hope to keep her healthy in that? I realize that conditions in much of rural Africa are probably more primitive than this but again, we are not talking about a year-round warm climate in most of the U.S. On that, I was not impressed.

 

On the other hand, wasn't she only there for 3 days? I wasn't impressed with all the whoohah cuz while it was a bit bizarre, it was a very nice and roomy "boy scout" tent. We lived in far less in Duluth one year....half year....winter drove us out!

 

And finally, I was reading things about how this was approached. I wasn't there but IF she's telling the truth without unnecessary DRAMA....were they really nearly hostile with her as they checked for symptoms upon her return to U.S.? The only reason I think about this is ......I feel like it's a very Uncomfortable environment at the airport security checks. Not quite hostile...most of the time. But those folks can get snappy and cranky. They hold tremendous power and some of them KNOW IT....RELISH IT!

 

THAT CANNOT EVER BE ALLOWED! We will need absolute polite professionalism practiced by any "gatekeepers"! ABSOLUTE! If anything else is allowed, it will degrade into .......demented 2-bit despots able to make life miserable for anyone. Practical and clear protocols and polite administration of them.

 

 

OK....I'm also not reallllly impressed with the BBQ devices used as a medical tool.... deciding whether or not someone goes into quarantine or whether they can fly. How accurate are those steak monitors?

 

MtRider ....so much is disturbing on the whole topic of Ebola

The tent is in and indoor facility, not outside.

I'm not panicking yet, but I tend to look to the "what-if". What if Ebola does get entrenched here? What if medical services are overwhelmed?

The gov't is clueless and thinking about THAT is enough to send me to the edge of panicking. We cannot count on the gov't to keep our nation safe.

A health care worker that handled the blood of the first ebola guy is on a Carnival cruise ship parked off shore of Belize. Belize officials will not allow the transfer of this woman via their shores into their airport to be airlifted out. There are over 4,000 passengers and crew on board.

I've been to Belize and there is no dock. They anchor out in the ocean and you take a small ship called a Tender to the shore. Apparently they had this woman and her husband on the Tender ready to go to the Belize hospital but were told no. Belize does not want Ebola on their shores. The patient was returned to the ship and the ship is sailing back to the US.

Belize TV is saying the patient is showing symptoms of Ebola, but the CDC says no symptoms. Which is it?

Tell me, short of sinking it, how do you disinfect a huge cruise ship?

So much for "self quarantine". This is the second person that was self-monitoring, self-quarantined that went out in public. That one from NBC (Dr. Nancy something) went out to a deli to get some soup, this one flies half way across the country. How does TPTB expect to stop/slow down infections if they can't get doctors and nurses to follow orders?

Dallas Health Care Worker tests positive for Ebola.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/12/health-care-worker-at-dallas-hospital-tests-positive-for-ebola/

Per hospital spokesperson this am:

This HCW caught it AFTER Duncan had been admitted to the hospital on his second trip to the ER. HCW had been wearing PPE as prescribed by the CDC, mask/gown/gloves/shield.

Tell me again how Ebola is not airborne.

I agree. They were saying on the news tonight that if there is a mass outbreak in Mexico, Honduras or Guatemala those people are going to storm the USA like nothing we have ever seen before looking for free healthcare. That ticks me off. I can't afford to take my kids to the doctor even with health insurance until I reach a $4000 deductible, and these people think they can come here and get top notch care for free.

I didn't speak with her. I thought about it, but I had my 9 yr old with me and I'd rather discuss it when she isn't around. I did find Sambucol at Kmart today. It was marked down to $2 each. They only had one bottle of syrup and one box of quick dissolve tablets.

I saw this lady at Walmart today. She is wearing a surgical mask which won't do much against flu or ebola. I honestly have no qualms about wearing my N95's out in public but at this point I'm not at the panic stage where I think it's necessary. I think my line in the sand will be anything in my state or one of my bordering states.

He did die!!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/305795#.VDIHPdhF_xr.facebook

ETA: This is apparently a rumor. Reuters, which is stated as being the source, doesn't confirm this at all and says the guy is still fighting for his life.

I don't think there is a better deal to be found on N95 masks then these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KIMBERLY-CLARK-Tecnol-PFR95-N95-Yellow-Particulate-Filter-Respirator-masks-300-/181545491110?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a44f45aa6

I have these in a size small for my kids, fits perfectly for them and is comfortable to wear.

I found this info from Kimberly-Clarke to be very informative.

http://www.kchealthcare.com/media/133353/k-c-ebola-precautions-brief-truscott-final.pdf

Israel is reporting that the ebola patientin Dallas has died. I wonder if that's true or they're just mistaken. Surely if he died they would be reporting it on our news. If he's still alive how awful for the family and everyone here that is so scared.

 

Here's the link: http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ebola-a-nurses-perspective/

 

I don't think it's true, but I do know he is very critical, at least that's what they say.

 

I'm suppose to go to Lubbock tomorrow to dr. and thinking of calling it off. Bigger town, dr's office, IDK kinda worried about it.

Where does it say he died? In the comments or the blog post?

I don't see why you can't use Everclear.

I found this on Ehow regarding alcohol and disinfection:

>>In addition to damaging the integrity of cellular walls, rubbing alcohol also denatures proteins, meaning it can also be used to kill viruses on contact. Both viruses and bacteria are less stable when outside of the body or other biological host, meaning that germs on surfaces are far easier to kill than if they were in the body. Rubbing isopropyl alcohol on the skin or spraying it on hard surfaces can kill both bacteria and viruses on those surfaces.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/list_6362900_organisms-isopropyl-alcohol-kill_.html

If it gets bad in my area I will wear a mask and gloves. I'd like to avoid going anywhere crowded though. I'm pretty good with stored foods that we could live on for a few months if we have to. This month has an extra payday in it so I'm going to use the next paycheck to get more shelf stable foods. If it comes to SIP our diet will change drastically. I have tons of rice, pasta, oats and wheat stored, but in the past year we have changed how we eat. We don't eat those things!! I didn't want to give them away because in a true SHTF scenario we will eat what have stored.

 

Interesting article written by a nurse:

 

http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ebola-a-nurses-perspective/

 

 

Good article. But.....she said twice that Ebola patient could be passing it on EVEN BEFORE THEY'RE SYMPTOMATIC. That's....reallllly, realllly, bad. Has anyone else heard this yet???? I'd like to verify cuz it's a severe deal-breaker!

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WE2....glad you mentioned public restrooms. Not to be TMI but.....bluntly, this is a huge issue for anyone!

 

With MS, I frequent restrooms whenever I leave my house. Sometimes I 'gotta go' every half hour! ......and those paper sheets are NOT GONNA BE ANY PROTECTION from this. I don't have the balance to "hover". Sheeeesh.....what other alternatives can we think of? Disposable gloves and Clorox wipes to clean the seat? Commercial toilets have aggressive flushing that will atomize droplets.....a thought we usually try not to think about. Wear the gloves until you open the door upon exiting? This virus staying alive for ...perhaps days....on inanimate surfaces?

 

Mebbe I can wait and go behind a tree in the woods?

 

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Everyone is talking about the cleanup of that TX apartment...and sidewalk. Power washing the sidewalk would definitely spread DROPLETS! Operator is wearing no protection. Washing down the sewer system..... They left the four relatives in with the patient's bedding, etc for days?

 

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MtRider

 

Me too. I take water pills and there are times when I will go every 20 mins. Maybe I will start wearing Depends lol... I took a pack of baby wipes and put them in a ziplock bag. I poured half a bottle of 90% rubbing alcohol in the bag and I will carry these with me everywhere I go. When I have to use the restroom I will open the door with them and wipe down everything I need to touch from door handles to faucets.

They let 261 people that were on that flight go home after 2 hours! What if the guy and his daughter DO have Ebola? There is no rapid Ebola test, there is no way for them to know if they are infected or not but they let the rest of the people on plane just walk away! Sheesh..

A Maryland hospital is also treating someone with "ebola-like" symptoms.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26699234/maryland-ebola-symptoms

On another note... my masks came today... all four boxes! :hapydancsmil:

I told DH that I bought him N99 masks to wear at work (in a hospital) and he said no way, that would be too embarrassing. So I said he could wear the tyvek suits with the masks and goggles and no one will even know it's him! lol.. he didn't think that was funny

Does anyone store colloidal silver? I used to have a bottle of drops years ago but can't find it. I want to buy more but I'm finding a wide variety to choose from on Amazon.
PPM? Spray? Drops?

The entire continent of Africa needs to be sealed off to contain the spread. That will never happen, but nothing short of doing so will stop the spread.

only contact with bodily fluids ? Really????? How about being in close physical proximity, shaking his hand when you are introduced or a hug against the ill person's body. So much for all the comforting assurances of the CDC just last night on the news conference.

 

I hope and pray people will immediately begin to be more careful, also while shopping. Please bring alcohol wipes or just wear latex while shopping. You don't know who touched what! ( Then didnt take it off the shelf or put it back. ) Discard once you put the groceries away and are done with cart.

He was out in public for four days while shedding the virus. What if he was in a Walmart bathroom and threw up in the toilet, wiped his mouth with his hands and then touched the bathroom door lock? Would someone touching that door right after him get it? What if he sat in RiteAid sweating with fever while waiting for his antibiotics? He was in contact with four children that went to Dallas public schools. What if they come down with it after exposing countless numbers of kids?

On another forum someone said the patient traveled from Liberia to the United States via Brussels and Dulles, VA, on to Dallas, TX.

 

http://prepforshtf.com/preppers-protecting-ebola/#.VCttrPldVIF

 

 

Preppers and Ebola: Protecting Yourself

The current Ebola outbreak is the largest in history. It has caused more than 672 deaths and more than 1,200 infections in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, this according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

To control the disease the chain of transmissions must be broken. While highly contagious the disease can be isolated, because you cannot become infected by simply breathing the virus in, it is not airborne, in other words. You have to have contact with an infected person’s bodily fluid, blood, feces, mucus, semen and even sweat.

The mortality rates are high but keep in mind the medical facilities where the patients are now being treated are not as advanced, as they would be in the United States. If people became infected in the U.S. and received prompt medical treatment the mortality rate would likely drop to 50 percent or possibly lower. This is all speculation of course, because there has never been a reported case of one of the four deadly Ebola viruses in the United States.

It is assumed that the medical professionals across the country have plans, and are ready to deal with the problem if it becomes a problem in the United States. However, this again is all speculation.

Assume the Worst

Experts and others claim the disease is just an airplane ride away from being in the United States and most claim it is not in the U.S. yet. Assume it is here however, because to assume otherwise, you would then not take the proper precautions when caring for someone with a high fever, who is vomiting and has severe stomach pains. These are just a few of the symptoms, and keep in mind influenza for example, may have the same symptoms to a certain extent, (refer to a previous article on Ebola symptoms and treatments).

You as an individual should never treat anyone including family members, that you know or suspect has the virus without proper protection. Protection includes medical gloves, gowns, facemasks, shields and protective eyewear.

First responders have to be particularly cautious when treating any victim for any reason, because a person can be a carrier and not show any symptoms. It is important that a travel history be obtained if possible. You must know where family members have traveled too. Even if they have not traveled to Africa, for example, interconnecting flights may have had an infected person on it.

Medical experts claim that a person is not contagious or as contagious until the symptoms are full blown, but there is not a vaccine, which should tell you that the medical experts do not fully understand the virus, so never assume anything.

Wear two pairs of protective gloves when handling needles. You should never reuse needles, but if you find you have to, the procedure for sterilization is to submerse the needles in hot soapy water to remove any obvious contaminates, such as blood mucus and so on. Once the needles have been cleansed of all blood or other fluids rinse well with clean water in a sterilized bowl or other container. Once rinsed draw undiluted chlorine bleach into the needles and let soak for 30 seconds. Expel the bleach safely, repeat the process, and let the needles air dry. This assumes the sodium hypochlorite (liquid chlorine) content is at least between 5.25 and 6 percent or higher.

Elimination of All Microorganisms, Viral, Bacteria, and Fungal Through Sterilization

Sterilization of hard, non-porous items can be accomplished by using high heat, an autoclave or steam sterilizer. Boiling heat-resilient items in water for 20 minutes will kill the Ebola virus as well. You can also use a bleach solution to kill the virus on hard surfaces, clothing and other items using a solution of 1:10 and a solution of 1:100.

A 1:100 bleach solution is used to disinfect:

Surfaces

Medical equipment

Patient bedding

Reusable protective clothing before it is laundered.

A 1:10 bleach solution is a strong solution used to disinfect excreta and bodies, and it is best this is left to medical professionals (CDC, 2014).

Washing your hands is always the first line of defense to protect yourself and others. Use bar soap that has been cut into chunks so you can use one piece and dispose of that piece. This prevents contamination of the entire bar of soap.

Use one hand to scrub the hand, forearm of the opposite hand, and then switch using the other hand and then rinse well. Discard the piece of soap safely and always use a disposable one-time use towel or let the hands air dry.

You cannot “catch” the virus by simply being in the same room with an infected person. However, you have to assume that if an infected person sneezes or coughs then micro mucus droplets can be transmitted through the air for short distances. If it is known or suspected a person has the disease use all available protection whenever in the same room.

Bedding must be destroyed by incineration or proper procedures followed for sterilization and the same applies to the patients clothing. Physical barriers must be erected to isolate patients. This would include protective fencing, to prevent people from entering, or heavy sheets placed over doorways to alert others that a person is isolated. Signs alerting others should be placed were easily seen as well.

Bathrooms used by the infected person must be isolated and not used by anyone else. Never enter a bathroom facility that an infected person has used without all protective clothing/gear in place.

The best protection for individuals is of course isolation. Avoid crowds, do not fly and stay out of airport terminals. Once again, the virus is not floating in the air, so if you have not come in physical contact with an animal or a human that has the disease then you cannot catch the virus.

It is likely but not proven that the virus is in the United States. Remember the mortality rate is directly related to the treatment of patients infected. Because there is no cure, treatment is therapeutic. Hydration levels must be maintained, blood pressure monitored closely and most patients have to be treated for secondary infections caused by the virus.

Excessive internal and external bleeding is common and a common cause of death from the virus. This must be treated promptly by professionals. Do not attempt to treat anyone at home that you suspect has the virus.

The information provided is for informational purposes only and is not to be considered medical advice.

CDC. (2014). Retrieved 2014, from http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/

 

Well over 6,000 have been infected and over 3,000 have died.

This person was infectious and free to roam in public for FOUR days before being admitted. He went to a doctor and was given antibiotics and sent home. How many people did he come into contact with in those four days? What if he sneezed on a handrail? Threw up in a public bathroom? The ambulance that transported him was in use for 2 full days before being pulled out of service to be disinfected. Think of all the people you come in contact with within four days. He is visiting family. How many family members came into contact with him in those four days? I think the CDC and Freiden are just doing damage control and I don't think even THEY believe the words they are spewing. I can understand them not wanting the public to panic, but I think they are not telling the entire truth about how Ebola can spread inside the US.