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  1. Grubby, I love how you colorized your answers so I think I'll do the same! Two more sites that may interest you are: www.thinkingofhomeschooling.org www.hslda.org
  2. When is the due date? I tend to work best at the last minute.
  3. When is the due date? I tend to work best at the last minute.
  4. Dadof3 asked: "But what is the deal with women these days?" First off, I want to say I'm really sorry and the pain you're clearly feeling is justified and horrible to experience. I cannot imagine what this is like for your precious children, but I hope to encourage you by saying I know a guy whose wife was not only unfaithful, she was into drugs - and he had to leave her and raise his 3 kids himself. Today they all respect and love him and have a good, close family - and he has remarried a fine woman. But you asked a very important question I'd like to briefly address. You asked: "But what is the deal with women these days?" What I'm about to say in no way points the finger at you here. No way! But your question tells me that if you can't get this problem worked out with your current wife - then you sure don't want to marry another one like her down the road. Dr. Laura Schlessinger has written some really good books and one of them is for men - to help them recognize women who may spell "Trouble" down the road. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060929...mp;amp;n=283155 My own brother married a woman who went out on him and unfortunately his little girl has to live in her house now after their divorce - subjected to all the men coming to visit her. There are always warning signs prior to getting involved with someone - but we have to learn what they are. I sincerely hope things can be worked out with your wife. I know that most churches have ministers who would really be interested in helping you in this. So I hope you'll explore that avenue before closing any doors, but reading Dr. Laura's book wouldn't hurt anything either. I'll pray for your family and for your children in this. I'm so sorry. I think it's admirable that you're beginning to reach out to get this fixed. Takes courage.
  5. I know some homeschoolers who home educate all the way through high school and I know some who put their children into a public school when they hit middle or high school. I've noticed in some posts here a few people saying they once homeschooled, but don't anymore - and some have said they now miss it. I'm wondering why some here once homeschooled and then decided not to. I would guess that if you miss it then you would still kind of like to do it. What do you miss? I'll share my own experience later after I've heard what others have to say, if anyone wants to share their thoughts.
  6. This broadcast really was special for me to hear since I have no daughters and am the only Venusian in a family of Martians. http://www.family.org/fmedia/broadcast/a0039970.cfm http://www.family.org/fmedia/broadcast/a0039971.cfm
  7. I don't get to come here as often as I'd like to, but I have to say that every time I've come God has touched my heart through the spirit of love, tenderness and honesty here. This place is so peaceful while so often you see other boards ridden with trolls and people being nasty. Darlene, we all owe a lot to your kindness in managing this board and to the people who take time out of their day to moderate the forums. Some mighty fervent prayers must move towards Heaven for the people here because I've not found a single other board like this one. I really appreciate each person whose post I've read in multiple threads - I just pray God watches over your families and strengthens you through every challenge in the days ahead. I am very confident He is going to see us all through....in part because His presence is felt so often here. I hope that with whatever struggles each person is facing now....and some here are facing some very big challenges....I hope and pray each one of you gets a breather today....if even just for a short time....to stop doing whatever keeps you busy and just do something nice for yourself.
  8. http://singleparenthomeschool.christianhomeeducation.org/ Comfort and Advice for Single Parents by Skeet Savage Those of us who have experienced the grief and anguish of divorce probably understand like no one else can just why our God says He hates divorce. There is nothing you can do about yesterday—but, because His mercies are new every morning, the possibilities for today are endless! You can choose to live your life in the shadows as “So-and-So’s Ex,” or you may step into the light of His grace and stand, as His precious bride, firmly planted in the place to which He has brought you—as a joyful mother of the children which He has entrusted to your care. If the children’s father or mother refuses to listen to reason or be governed by Biblical principles and has decided to leave, the Bible says, let them depart. LET GO! Stop begging and pleading and chasing them. Stop threatening them and trying to manipulate and control them. Obey the Word—release them! Give every tiny piece of your shattered heart wholly to God and get on with the business of living for Him. Absolutely refuse to take on victim status. No matter what the details of the past, the future is in your hands. From here on out, if you continue to make a mess of your life you’ve got no one to blame but yourself. It’s time to take full responsibility for your own actions. Admit the fact that, while you may not have played the starring role in your personal little soap opera, at the very least, you played a supporting role. Repent for your part in the sins of the past and turn every bit of it over to the One Who has the power to wipe your slate clean! Relinquish control and leave it in His capable hands. With God in control, I promise you, things will be different! You’ll find that His plans for you are nothing but good! Remind yourself often that His mercies are new every morning (Lamentations 3:22-25). Determine to rise each day with thanksgiving in your heart for the opportunity He has given you to experience a wonderful new life—better than anything that you could ever have ever imagined according to your best laid plans. Put bitterness behind you and don’t look back. Forget those things that are behind and press forward (Philippians 3:13,14). Allow God to fulfill His good promise to restore the years that the locusts have eaten (Joel 2:25). Get a life! That doesn’t mean you should start scouting for another marriage partner, by the way. You’ll never find the joy and peace you are longing for until you stop looking around the planet for another human being who can meet your needs, fulfill your longings, and fix what is wrong in your life. Such behavior is an insult to our God Who stands ready, willing, and able to provide, and to be, all that you will ever need in this life. So many single or divorced people leave Him waiting in the wings while they spend countless wasted hours fantasizing about some Romeo or Juliet out there in LaLa Land. The abundant life He longs to give remains an unopened package while precious days, weeks, hours and years are spent in mourning over the spiritual graves we tenaciously insist on digging. Meanwhile, who’s minding the children? No matter what your former spouse does or does not do, you have a responsibility to the children. Stay focused. If your marriage and divorce was traumatic, then the children will need your undivided attention all the more. Thank God that you now have the opportunity to invest yourself fully, and without distraction, in the lives of your children. By the grace of God you can build a firm foundation under their feet and provide a nurturing habitat in which you all can grow close to each other and your God. Don’t allow guilt, or the feeling that the children have “suffered enough” throughout the painful process of the divorce (and, possibly even during the marriage) to cause you to be lenient with them in areas where you need to be tough. Many parents indulge themselves in permissiveness toward the children in a misguided attempt to somehow “win” the children over to their side by being a “buddy” rather than a parent. The absence of one parent does not necessitate the absence of Godly order in the home. If your former spouse remarries, and the children are forced to divide their time between households, don’t give in to the temptation to relax the standards of your own home in order to “compete” with all the cool stuff, exciting entertainments, and various tempting enticements strategically employed to lure their allegiance away from you (and God) and over to the other parent. Faithfulness and consistency based on Biblical principles will go a long way toward establishing a solid relationship with your children that will not easily be shaken. Much healing takes place when the peace of God reigns unhindered in your midst. When just a little girl, my youngest came to me one day asking, “A lady at church said that us girls come from a broken home. We’re divorced, but our home’s not broken. We used to be broken, but not anymore!” Out of the mouths of babes! There’s no sense of lack when Jesus is held in honor as the head of a household. Learn to look to Jesus, and Him only. People can only do so much, but Jesus can do anything! People will fail you, but Jesus will never fail. Stop worrying. God has made very specific promises to widows and orphans. Trust Him and stand on His Word. You are in Good Hands! When it comes to the practical aspects of providing the physical necessities for the family, always think in terms of pulling together rather than drawing apart. The “work from home” possibilities are endless as long as you are willing to be flexible and creative. Home business options can provide apprenticeship opportunities for middle and older children, which are both provisional and educational. The children can have the satisfaction of knowing that they are a contributing part of the family rather than a burden. This type of responsibility develops strong character. There is no better preparation for the “real world” than hands-on participation in real world situations with the careful guidance of a loving parent! You may need to rethink your priorities and adjust your concept of what it means to make “a living.” People can get by with so much less than what they—especially in this country—think they need! If it is truly your desire to homeschool your children, then you must be willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish that goal. If it becomes necessary to downscale, do it! If being able to homeschool the children under your roof means yard sale clothes, dented cans and stale bread, no entertainment budget or luxuries such as eating out at restaurants (or maybe even a smaller roof) so be it! What a small price to pay for the privilege of being together as a family and the blessing of walking in obedience to the Scriptures! When approached properly, homeschooling is such a simple, natural process! Generally speaking, the classroom model does not fit in the homeschool setting over the long haul—especially in the single parent household. It is not your job to personally try to impart every morsel of knowledge to each individual child. Rather you must seek to set up a well-balanced educational buffet and then call them to dinner! Your children will need to be equipped and taught how to learn, and then properly motivated to pursue learning on their own initiative. To eliminate the daunting task of the traditional annual ritual of selecting new textbooks each year (for each child!), begin to track down real world resources (encyclopedias, dictionaries, grammar guides, reference books, etc.) which will prove to be a one-time investment that will serve them throughout their lifetime. So, how can one person simultaneously accomplish all that is required of a single, homeschooling parent? The art of multi-tasking (learning to do two or more jobs at the same time) will enable you to accomplish all that is set before you in a day’s time. In the event that you are unable to get it all done today—there’s always tomorrow! Even more important is the need to be realistic about how much you can accomplish in a day. Don’t spread yourself too thin trying to do all things for all people. Understand what it is that our Lord has specifically ordained for you to do and then do it to the best of your ability and with all your heart in the reasonable time He has allowed. In our case, in the beginning, I didn’t have a clue as to how we were going to survive financially. As I began to take stock of the situation, some of the only things I knew for sure were, 1) I believed with all my heart that God had given me six children to raise for His glory, and homeschooling, in my estimation, was not an option—it was a mandate! 2) Since there was no one to go out and “bring home the bacon,” I needed to find some kind of work that I was physically capable of performing, that would enable me to stay at home and take care of my first priority—my children. 3) After all the Lord had done for me, I wanted the remaining years of my life to count for some eternal good. All I knew to do was go to the Lord and pour out my heart to Him. When I read in the Word that He promised to give us the desires of our hearts, I told Him that my desire was to homeschool the children for His glory and not have to leave them with a sitter while I went out and worked eight hours a day for someone else. I read a prayer in the Bible where someone prayed that God would not make him so poor that he would steal nor so rich that he would forget Him, and I made that my prayer as well. When I read that He intends for us to work six days and rest on the seventh, and that He wanted the first-fruits of His provision to be returned to Him, I promised to be faithful to do both. I prayed fervently and unceasingly. Oh, how I prayed! My faith and commitment to everything I believed in was tested to the very limit! However, the very things that seemed like impossibilities to me at the time, became strong points and, in the long run, proved to be an integral part of God’s provision for our every need. Against all odds, I made a decision to hold fast to that which I knew the Lord had called me to do, committed my ways to Him, and waited for Him to direct my path as He had promised. (Proverbs 3: 5,6.) I was not disappointed. Over time, an idea began to form in my mind that turned out to be (I realize now, with hindsight) the call of God on my life to a very specific kind of work. As a mother of six, and one of the unwitting “pioneers” of the homeschool movement, parents would often seek me out for counsel and advice on education and parenting matters. Over and over, I would force myself to turn away from my own personal problems and reach out to these struggling young parents who were searching for answers and practical help on raising Godly children. Although everyone’s situation is different, the questions were usually the same. Eventually, I decided that I needed to get some basic homeschooling/parenting information into a printed format that I could simply distribute as a means of helping these families. I spent some time at the local newspaper and quick print shop, and drove those good folks bananas by watching closely over their shoulder and asking a million questions as they tried to go about their daily tasks in each department. With some searching and persistence, I acquired a typewriter (a computer was way out of my budget range!) and typed out, pasted up, and distributed our first 24-page homeschooling newsletter. In those early days, it was a lot of hard work making important contacts on the phone and typing manuscripts and address labels on my old manual typewriter—always with two or more toddlers or nursing babies on my lap! I would begin each day by getting up long before the children in order to read my Bible, pray, start laundry, fix breakfast, and line up their scholastic assignments and chores for the day. In my line of work (printing and publishing), most of my duties could be interrupted at any point so I was usually available to the children and was always listening or watching for those moments when they required my hands-on ministry or input. Throughout the day I maintained an “open door” policy in the little area I had designated as my “office” with the understanding that, if the children wanted to read or talk with me, or show me something they had made or done, they could come in and see if I was free at the moment—or at least at a good stopping point. If I was busy on the phone temporarily, the children knew that they were to go back to their activities and try again a little while later. Or, they were to stand quietly by and wait patiently until we made eye contact. Then, as soon as I was able to get off the phone, I would go looking for that child so that we could spend a few moments together over whatever they wanted to share with me. If it was important or an emergency, they were to come to my side and whisper quietly to alert me to any pressing needs, in which case, I could merely excuse myself from the conversation and attend to the family issues at hand. Every hour on the hour, I made the rounds to check in on each child and spend a few minutes talking about anything they wanted to discuss or instructing them. In the evenings, unless we were facing a press deadline, I tried to pull away from the office work and spend some concentrated time with the children. Once they were all settled in bed for the night, I would go back to work and tackle those things requiring the greatest concentration and undivided attention, such as writing or editing. In order for this type of set-up to work, balance is the key. The biggest challenge for me has always been to fully focus on whatever I was doing at the moment without feeling guilty and thinking I should be doing something else—whether it was working and feeling like I should be with the children, or being with the children and feeling like I should be working!! I’ll confess that I asked my God on a daily basis to order my steps and guide me through every decision I made every hour of every day. I knew that if I stayed right smack in the center of the road He had mapped out for me that I’d be headed in the right direction and wouldn’t end up in the ditch with mud on my face (or His) either—and He has been faithful to bless us for our efforts in His Name! How well I remember the day when we reached two hundred subscribers—I could hardly believe there were that many people in the whole world who were interested in what we had to say!! I was sure they had all actually meant to subscribe to the competition and had just accidentally addressed the envelope to Home School Digest instead!! But, you all know the rest of the story. Ultimately, the Lord used our desire to serve others to open doors for us to minister to homeschooling families around the world through our publications and Seminars. Today, that little 24-page newsletter has grown to nearly 100 pages and is read by thousands of folks! The Lord has absolutely rained down blessings on our little family and ministry. Truly, He has poured out a blessing on us that there has been hardly room to receive! Life is not all roses—but at least there are roses! I could hardly have believed, in light of our dire circumstances just a few short years ago, that we would ever see the deepest desires of our hearts come to pass. We are still involved with homeschooling, our bills are paid on time and, since most of the children participate full time in our family ministry, we have the blessed privilege of working together as a family to help others to fulfill their God-given responsibility as faithful, committed parents, to bring their children up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord through homeschooling. What a wonderful God we serve! Who would have ever believed that He would bring us out of the muck and mire of the past, and establish us in such a large and fruitful place? Here’s the best news of all—that same God is ready, willing, and able to do the same for you! Don’t ever think that just because there is no father (or mother) in the home, the whole thing has to crumble into the dust. The husband is not the foundation upon which we build—Jesus is the only sure foundation upon which to base our hopes for the future. He has a tender spot in His heart for widows and orphans (the husbandless and the fatherless) and He will be your strongest support. “Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young” (Isaiah 40:10,11). Skeet Savage is the Editor of HOME SCHOOL DIGEST and An Encouraging Word (a magazine for Christian women), and author of the book, Homeschooling For Eternity. www.AnEncouragingWord.net or www.HomeSchoolDigest.com
  9. Deanne, you do have it figured out. To any new homeschoolers here - the lesson is this: Resist the urge to buy lots of curriculum. It's not necessary. With creativity and a few key books - you're moving forward better than you may think.
  10. I've been brainstorming this a bit and wondered what some of you here think. In my mind there are financial outlays with both public and home schooling, but honestly to me it seems the financial outlay is greater with public schooling. What do some of you here think? In homeschooling your primary expense is books and paper/pencil supplies. In public schooling the government pays for the books, but you have to buy the same paper/pencil supplies you'd need for home schooling. In addition you have to buy your child extra clothing and shoes for public school. That can add up a lot. When you homeschool clothing needs are more simple. Or at least they are in my home. And even with homeschooling you have choices as to what books you'll buy. With all the different curriculum choices available you can choose to spend a lot or a lot less. And the library is a tremendously good resource that is free. Are there things public school children need to buy that I'm not thinking of? Are there things homeschool children need that I'm not thinking of?
  11. Because of the Constitution homeschooling has always been legal in all 50 states according to Michael Farris with HSLDA. I remember when we started homeschooling a long time ago and we were committed so much that we knew we'd fight the system if it came to that - because we knew the Constitution gives parents the right to teach their own children at home and we knew the spiritual lives of our children were at stake. (94% of homeschoolers keep the faith and 93% continue to attend church after the high school years. But a shocking 75% to 85% of Christian children sent to public school drop out of church, and do not hold a Christian worldview after high school graduation.) I'll share an article giving details below. http://www.crosswalk.com/family/home_school/1259657.html The Big Questions HSLDA CAN I DO IT? Is it legal? “Because the United States Constitution is the highest law of the land, homeschooling has always been legal in all 50 states,” says Michael Farris. “It has been a bit of a fight to get the various members of the education and social services establishment to accept that fact, but great progress has been made. Currently about two-thirds of the states have specific laws authorizing and regulating homeschooling. In the balance of the states, homeschoolers may legally operate as a small private school or provide ‘equivalent instruction.’ The details vary considerably from state to state and opinions about the law vary from district to district. What does not vary is HSLDA’s commitment to the constitutional right to teach one’s children at home.” - Michael Farris HSLDA Chairman & General Counsel I don’t have a teaching degree. Can I really teach my child? Yes, research and practical experience show that it is dedication and hard work, not special training, that produce outstanding educational results in a homeschool setting. (See Figure 1 to the right.) HOW DO I DO IT? Where do I find curriculum and materials? There's an ever-increasing variety of curriculum—from traditional textbooks to homeschool-specific curriculum and correspondence courses. Thankfully, there are experienced homeschool moms who have taken the time to put together review guides, saving newcomers much time and frustration. Just two such guides are Mary Pride's Complete Guide to Homeschooling series and Cathy Duffy’s two volume Christian Home Educators’ Curriculum Manuals. The best place to start is to contact homeschooling veterans in your local and/or state support group—ask what they have tried, what has or has not worked for them, and why. You need to get to know your child’s learning style. (See Useful Tips.) Attend a couple of homeschool seminars and curriculum fairs where you can look at your options firsthand. To find a support group or state homeschool convention near you, visit HSLDA's website. How much time does it take? A lot less than you think. Homeschooled students don't have to take time to change classes or travel to and from a school, so they can proceed at their own pace. In elementary years especially, parents and children often find that they may only need a few hours to accomplish their work for the day. What if I have several children in different grade levels? You'll be surprised at the subjects that can span grade levels. Certain curricula lend themselves to multilevel teaching. You can design your program so that older children work independently in the morning while you work individually with younger children, and then while younger children take naps in the afternoon, you can have one-on-one time with older students. What about my child's special needs? “Thousands of families are homeschooling children whose special needs range from Attention Deficit Disorder to severe multiple handicaps,” says Betty Statnick. “Parents often find that when they bring these children home to be educated, they come out of the ‘deep freeze’ that has kept them from making significant progress. Gone are the comparisons, labels, social pressures, and distractions that a regular classroom may bring. Parents can offer their children individualized education, flexibility, encouragement, and support. For learning-disabled children who function best with ‘real-life problems’ rather than artificial worksheet tasks, homeschooling may be ideal. For medically sensitive children, learning at home provides the opportunity for careful monitoring. And for attention-deficit children who function best with uniquely structured time and fewer distractions, homeschooling usually proves to be the answer.” - Betty Statnick, HSLDA’s Special Needs Coordinator ARE YOU SURE I WON’T RUIN MY KIDS? What about socialization & special interests/enrichment activities? Research has found that most homeschooled students are involved in a wide variety of outside activities, interact with a broad spectrum of people, and make positive contributions to their communities. Experience has shown that homeschoolers are well socialized and able to make lasting friendships across age and cultural divides. (See Figure 2 at right.) What about a diploma, graduation, & college? Homeschool graduates closely parallel their public school counterparts—about two-thirds go on to post-secondary education, and one-third directly into the job market. (Brian Ray, Strengths of Their Own—Home Schoolers Across America, NHERI, 1997.) Homeschool students who have utilized community colleges for foreign language, lab science, or higher mathematics courses discover as an added bonus that these course credits make it easier to enroll in four-year colleges after high school graduation. (See "Making a transcript" under Useful Tips.) Next --> Copyright 2004 Home School Legal Defense Association P.O. Box 3000 · Purcellville, VA 20134-9000 · Phone: (540) 338-5600 · Fax: (540) 338-2733 · E-mail: info@hslda.org
  12. What are some subjects you'd like your kids to learn about if you wanted to pay someone to teach them a special skill or kind of knowledge? We are hitting hard times financially and in order to prepare I need to find a way to help with my sweet husband's income. I need to be creative in thinking of possible classes I can teach children in my neighborhood or local community. Thankfully I've lots of different skillsets, but I'm not strong in math. I've taught art before and can do that again, but I thought that - since I homeschooled and taught my own children how to read - that perhaps some people might appreciate that kind of help with their children. Does anyone have ideas on subjects they would like someone skilled in certain areas to teach their children? I'm trying to get a feel for what people might find interesting and needed. I'm trying to put together lesson plans now for the fall. All ideas and/or suggestions are appreciated!
  13. Bookworm, what a fantastic idea! And thanks to you too, Westie, for the additional link. What ages do you think this type of class could best be taught to? Which ages might be best to present this type of material to - I guess that's my question.
  14. This is superb! I appreciate his online manual a great deal and this website is sure to be a wonderful resource. Thanks for the link, Darlene.
  15. Thanks. It's good seeing the issue covered. I'm sure you probably feel this too, but if it's mudstream media then chances are they're just looking for ratings though.
  16. Thanks for this, Granny. I was scanning through the entire document earlier today and making notes. I think that with all the many faults our government has - they are sure trying to prepare for this as best they can. The document seems bureacracy-heavy, but they encourage individuals, churches and businesses to go to the www.pandemicflu.gov site to get details on how to prepare. They're encouraging people to do what Mother here is doing in her own community. They will use the military if necessary because there could be problems - that goes without saying. That's one part I don't want to see. But if most people don't prepare for this - then that's the way it will be.
  17. Mother caught the story early on. I heard this on my mudstream news today as well as on the 700 Club. The government is trying to let everyone know they're on their own apparently.
  18. Mother, which evening (date) did you hear this broadcast? It must have been incredibly interesting. I can't find anything in the online news so far. If anyone here can, then please post it. I'm checking online and I'm getting confused messages. On one hand MSNBC has this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4067116/ Bird flu expert warns about bird smuggling Virus not likely to arrive in U.S. this year via migration, says top virologist 3/11/2006. Migratory birds on radar for bird flu. Adam Roundtree / Gamma Press file Migratory birds that enter the US from Alaska and Canada could carry the Bird Flu H5N1 virus and pass it onto domestic birds through droppings, feathers, and stagnant waters, some experts say. Updated: 2:21 p.m. ET May 2, 2006 SINGAPORE - A top bird flu expert predicted Tuesday that the H5N1 virus will not reach the U.S. this year via migratory birds, and warned bird smuggling poses a bigger threat for transmitting the deadly disease. Robert G. Webster, a virologist at the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn., said the virus will eventually arrive in the U.S., possibly carried by infected birds illegally brought into the country. “While wildlife people in the United States are watching for the appearance of this virus, I would suspect that it may not come this year,” he told The Associated Press, adding it has been historically rare for bird flu viruses to reach the Americas from Europe. Story continues below ↓ advertisement “If it doesn’t come this year, don’t relax, because it will eventually come,” said Webster, in Singapore for a two-day conference that is expected to draw leading bird flu experts. The H5N1 virus began ravaging Asian poultry stocks in late 2003 and has killed at least 113 people worldwide. Most human cases have been linked to contact with infected birds. Experts fear the virus will mutate into a form that easily spreads from person to person, potentially sparking a global pandemic. Webster said he is most concerned about H5N1 becoming established in the world’s wild bird populations because most highly pathogenic bird flu viruses usually do not last long in nature. They typically start in wild birds, infect domestic birds and eventually die out. “This one has broken the rules and gone back from the domestics into the wild birds. Is it going to be perpetuated there as a killer? That’s the million dollar question,” he said. “Will that virus go to the breeding grounds in Siberia and Africa and come back again? If it does, then the chances are eventually it will learn to go human to human.” Webster’s laboratory has been conducting animal research to help predict how much of the anti-bird flu drug, Tamiflu, people would need to take and for how long if a pandemic strain emerges, said David Reddy, Tamiflu task force leader for the Swiss-based drug maker Roche Holding AG. “We don’t have a pandemic strain yet, so you can’t say, are you going to need a high dose or a low dose?” he said. “What we can do is construct models so as soon as a pandemic strain arises, we can very rapidly determine what the best approach is with the drug.” A Tamiflu study is also being carried out on humans to determine the proper dosage and duration for people infected by the current strain. But the results could take a long time to gather because of the relatively few number of human cases, Reddy said. Webster, who has researched bird flu for decades, said the spread of the virus to Africa is especially worrying because of the lack of infrastructure as well as political instability and a health system already overrun by diseases like AIDS. With “all of those things going on in Africa, you could get human-to-human transmission started and not have the opportunity to do anything about it until it’s out of hand,” he said. And on the other hand they have this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12584149/ U.S. bird flu plan outlines worst-case scenario Draft forecasts 40 percent work-force disruption but no border shutdown Updated: 8:37 p.m. ET May 2, 2006 WASHINGTON - A medical reality is complicating federal preparations for the next pandemic: Flu spreads in ways that make it extremely unlikely the U.S. could avoid being hit. Even shutting U.S. borders against outbreaks abroad offers little reassurance, because people can spread flu a full day before they show symptoms. With 1.1 million people legally entering the country every day, that means a super-strain would probably be incubating here by the time it was diagnosed abroad. The government’s latest national response plan, obtained by The Associated Press, acknowledges the difficulty as it warns that states, cities and businesses shouldn’t count on a federal rescue if a super-strain of influenza strikes — and that people may have to rely on creative if not scientifically proven ideas such as staying 3 feet away from co-workers and not shaking anyone’s possibly contaminated hand. President Bush last fall announced a $7.1 billion strategy to fight the next flu pandemic, focusing largely on public health preparations such as how to rapidly produce a vaccine once the next super-flu strikes. On Wednesday, the White House will formally release Step 2 of that strategy — a list of actions that different branches of government need to take to prepare. “This would really be a road map,” White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Tuesday. “It will cover both the government and non-government actions that are being taken to plan and prepare for any potential pandemic.” It’s an incremental step, one already drawing political attacks that the Bush administration isn’t moving fast enough. 'Needless delays' “Other nations have been implementing their plans for years, but we’re reading ours for the first time now. These needless delays have put Americans at risk,” Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said. But infectious disease experts hope the new details being released Wednesday will help businesses and local governments better determine exactly what they should be doing — and what aid they can expect from the federal government if a pandemic strikes. “Everybody is asking, 'Well, we want to do something. How do we do it?”’ says former Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson, who heard those questions Tuesday while addressing pandemic preparations at a Michigan law-enforcement conference. “We’ve got to be much more specific.” Influenza pandemics strike every few decades when a never-before-seen strain arises. It’s impossible to predict when the next will occur, although concern is rising that the Asian bird flu, called the H5N1 strain, might lead to one if it eventually starts spreading easily from person to person. Regardless of what causes the next pandemic, the 228-page draft version of the government’s plan outlines a set of steps federal officials will take at different stages. We’re currently in Stage 0 — worrisome flu strains are circulating in birds. Stage 5 would be widespread U.S. cases. In between, U.S. health officials would help world authorities try to detect and contain any potential pandemic-triggering outbreaks abroad. Screening travelers The main defense: Screening travelers from affected countries and diverting or quarantining flights that arrive with possibly ill patients aboard. But many travelers will seem healthy even as they shed virus, warn flu specialists. Trying to meet and quarantine lots of planes, “I’m dubious, No. 1, that just physically that’s feasible. And, No. 2, I frankly wonder exactly what degree of effectiveness can be expected by that,” said Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University, an adviser to the government on flu vaccine. A pandemic wouldn’t shut down the country at once. Instead, the document paints a picture of communities battling active infections for six to eight weeks, before the flu spreads to the next area. Each ill person is expected to infect two others. Symptoms should appear within two days. Flu spreads most among school-age children — expect a 40 percent attack rate among them compared to 20 percent among working adults. But, with caring for sick relatives and stay-at-home precautions to avoid infection, 40 percent of the workforce could be absent for weeks at a time. To minimize workplace infection, the report gives the most in-depth advice yet for businesses to take such steps as cleaning offices — flu can live on hard surfaces for 48 hours — and minimize employee contact by not shaking hands and staying 3 feet from co-workers. But the 3-feet advice assumes flu only spreads in the large droplets of coughs and sneezes; tiny droplets that stay suspended in the air for long periods can spread it, too. “Those are the kinds of uncertainties that make it hard to be very dogmatic” about health tips, cautioned Dr. John Treanor, a University of Rochester flu specialist.
  19. Patches, forgive me as I don't mean to create thread drift, but your signature is really fantastic! Quote: If you can't be a good example--then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. I'll have to remember that one.
  20. Yes, I second SonnyBoys post with a thanks to Mother and agreement with her comment. My head is beginning to whirl because we're just starting to see more articles where experts are disagreeing about BF's threat potential. It's not easy being human.
  21. I'm going to see if I can find this and record it. Thanks Waiting!
  22. Is this different from the other types of hand wash doo-hickeys in the bottles? (Sorry, my brain's on sleep cycle now and I can't remember what the stuff's called!) Seriously, the news in this article is really good to know and I plan on getting some of this if I can find it. Right now I keep the other type of doo-hickey stuff in my car and use it whenever I'm out and have to touch things that may be germy.
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