Mt_Rider

Yeah, me too. I finally had to satisfy my curiosity on what 'overflow' problem Cat might have had.... I didn't even see which forum it was under... MtRider

Good thread! I SHOULD be dehydrating the 25# bag of carrots [so cheap that way - ask for the 'juicing' carrots and wait til they have a shipment that is not all forked and difficult!]. But the past two and a half weeks have been NON-STOP. HEY! How did I get allll of that in my schedule???? MtRider [...gonna have hairy carrots at this rate... ]

I use cheese wax [or a combination of beeswax and parafin] but I also store it in the fridge. For eggs, I store eggs long term [6-8 months] IN MY VERY COOL BASEMENT in a bucket of waterglass solution. It's an old time method. What she's doing is sealing the permeability of the egg shell with the oil. Which is what the gloopy waterglass solution does too. But I'm quite sure that the watery, gloopy solution would help to keep it cooler too. Not sure I'd try setting an oiled egg in the kitchen cabinet. But oiled egg in fridge MIGHT help prolong the freshness...????? ---------------------------------- These mention 'waterglass'. NOTE -- I've only GLANCED at these links but they give a bunch of ways folks have used for egg preservation. I'm NOT necessarily agreeing with any or all of the methods..... !! http://www.georgiaeggs.org/pages/preservation.html http://www.theoldfoodie.com/2009/04/preserving-eggs-otherwayes.html -------------------------------------------- MtRider [ the above sites might be more value for historical interest than for food safety...keep that in mind ]

Have been looking thru this site. Their water pasteurization container [like a solar shower but with a built in WAPI device to tell when pasteurization has been achieved] looks great. I want to get a WAPI! But take care when they talk of canning with a solar oven. Some attempt to declare that only high acid foods can be cooked in a solar oven. [What about that stray cloud in the middle of the canning time??? ] Might want to ask that question over in the kitchen/harvest forums. They also had this idea which sounds good to me...9,000' in the Rockies! NOTE -- they are NOT talking of canning here....but more like mild pressure cooking. Interesting. MtRider

How about galvanized horse water tanks....come in all sizes. Now I just need someone who can weld and that coil thing..... Ah, for a tub. Have only had a shower for the last decade and a half. That is one realllly cool tea cup, Christy. Simplicity at it's finest. Will work post-Hooey too! MtRider [...a lot of worries can float away with a good soak ...well, temporarily at least! ]

To respond to this a bit late.... Furbaby, this is my most frequent method, tho I made sure I could make it without electricity first. Set your dehydrator for about 115 degrees or so. If you set it high enough to dehydrate fruits/veggies [125-135 degrees] it will solidify in a mass of "cheese" and yellow liquid. This "Ooops cheese" is usable in casseroles, and salads, etc. But it's a bit sweet if you add any sugar. Even without sugar in mine, the yogurt I use as starter was enough to add a twinge of sweet. If you don't have a temperature setting on your dehydrator, you can try it. MtRider [Good luck...homemade is very yummy! ]

Yup.....I am certainly not lamenting 2011! MtRider :frying pan:

Oh yeah, GP! They all look good! Some of the slogans are wonderful! MtRider

Wow...this post was begun WAAAAAy back in 2002. A whole 'nother set of members back in those days. Except for our longest and dearest like Snowmom, Cat, and naturally, Darlene. I noticed also that the poster's-name-scramble did a number on this era of time too. If anyone gets that far back in the dusty archives, you have to look at the bottom of the post rather than what name is posted on the left side. For a while we had to think....ok so Member A is posting under Member Q's screen name. And Member Q looks like she's Member K.... I'm so glad it straightened out now. We had some very odd names pop up. Anyway, thru the years we've had a variety of guys here. A few just couldn't make the transition cuz we sorta try not to get loud and ornery here. [some women don't 'get that' either tho ] But the ones who have stayed on to teach and learn have been very welcome and appreciated for their strengths and areas of expertise. And....has anyone seen/heard from Wormie lately. Since I've been gone a few wks, I wouldn't know if he's popped up. MtRider [.... "Mr.s S" ??????? ]

One idea about mothballs - instead of just sprinkling them on the ground, you can put them into a net bag (saved from onions or other store-bought veggies) and hang them in appropriate places. My folks have a fox that has taken to walking across their deck. So I plucked some of BigDog's shedding hair and put that in two net bags. They've tied those at the steps/gates of their deck. No word yet on the fox-deterrent affects. I do know that coyotes don't like wolf scent so I've used wolf hair around my duck yard fencing. [from a wolf rescue place nearby.] HEY.... My cat is shedding too. Mebbe I should bag up some of her hair and put it around? ..... well, mebbe not since her hair is ALLLLL over the upstairs already and the dumb mice are here. Back to the 'ole drawing board. MtRider

I SOOOOOOOO know the feeling, Dogmom! I just feel icky when I know the rodents have FOULED everywhere. We've had a rat get into our garage/basement area twice. I caught both and also one in a trap just outside where I store goat hay. That one took the trap half way down the driveway. Hey Cat....at least your kitty didn't just leave the ....TOES. That's what mine does. But....I wish I did find some mice toes some morning. Wanna see evidence that my little friend has met an untimely end! Since DH has been on night shift for the past 7 months, I have kept BigDog out in living room/kit area....for front-line defense. Cat is relagated to one bedroom and me the other. [bigDog wants to eat the kitty... and kitty is too nocturnal to sleep with me] So it's our room assignments that had to change. Now Kitty has returned to prowl the living room, loft, kitchen, bathroom (where they often come up from basement/garage). BigDog has returned to bedroom...where she guards the back door. I've decided I've more chance of dying of rodent-disease than a front door break-in. We'll see how this cuts down their little forays into MY DOMAIN! :frying pan: MtRider [...hateMiceHateMiceHateMiceHateAllRodents.....and snakes..... :darth duck: ]

After nearly a YEAR without mice, late summer they got back into the garage-under-house. I think they walzted past the sleeping BigDog at the door. Then evidence of that subsided after setting traps. Then this September I was attacked in the kitchen! Full out assault by a whole platoooooon! [do we have a smilie that pulls hair out?] I set traps; emptied ALLLLLL lower cupboards and SANITIZED/SANITIZED/SANITIZED! I'm not even DONE yet. I still have clean kitchen wares all over my couch. I've slowly begun moving things back in. ............. .................. ........... Yesterday, I SAW one of the dratted creatures scuttle out from the computer desk. Cat went for it and she and I spent the next 10 minutes in that game. I'd move furniture, stacks of books , and whatever else the mouse used for cover. Cat would dive but that mouse was fast. To my knowlege, I'm still sharing residence with the nasty thing! I am BEYOND discouraged. My mom commiserates, having dealt with the constant problem in our ancient farmhouse when I was a kid. Today, I'm using a new technique to deal with them. DENIAL MtRider

As I said before, your assertion may well be true. OTOH, I think Post Katrina, Post Andrew, Post Rita, etc might produce a list like this. I'm sure Darlene, with her long-lasting, post-hurricane experiences, could have crafted this list. Some areas hit regionally by hurricane have been without 'normal' for much longer than a few weeks. Insurance companies/FEMA/construction-repair companies cannot get to every property that quickly...so these folks have experienced weeks-going-into months. The "third tier" stuff [chickens and goats] was likely an extrapolation. [unless this list did not originate in the USofA? ] Ultimately, what does it matter? There are a gazillion lists in existence. We each take a look and decide what we believe will be an asset to our families, our situation, and the potential in our future. I use lists to spur ideas for own LIST. For some folks, lists make them nervous or depressed. Not me! I love lists, tho I don't consider any of them sacred writing. Not even my lists. But they help to organize my thinking, to record ideas, and to instigate brainstorming. ....So I personally don't really care if this list was not based on real data. It lists things that would be useful for short, mid, and long-range Hooey. Not an exhaustive list, certainly. But As for seeing a 2-wk-or-less Hooey as more probable....therefore prioritize it.... I hope everyone knows that. How many times has a member here said to a newbie {Start with a BOB/emergency bag..for car and home. Then start stocking up on what you normally eat. Then extend that from a week's worth to 2 wks...then a month to 3 months..... } I personally believe in long-term {possibly years} crisis without necessarily a TEOTWAWKI. Definitely! As I mentioned, financial fluctuations can do that in a heart-beat. That's just the way I see it. Others don't think long-term crisis is worth the investment. MtRider

I use a tiered system too. Particularly since I've already had to evacuate with no guarantee that the house wouldn't be burned to the ground when we returned....and other reasons, I like to keep BO items for that first tier too. All I could stand to eat during the first few days of our crisis was a nutritional protein bar. I keep lots of those and protein shake powder in foil bags. Mix with milk or water. Your second tier and third tier are combined in my life....yes, I've been eating off of this tier for years now. It is the one way I can contribute to the expenses [by keeping them down] of our household. I've bought and used bulk grains for years. DH is our breadmaker [learned from his Grma] but I do many other things. I have some stored pasta but also make some. I have some canned beans and tend to use them but, it is far more economical IF I can think ahead and soak the dry ones. I use some 'normal' foods but very little prepared-processed. I'm stuck and home so have the option of cooking from scratch. Cuz ....I'm not defining my disaster in terms of hurricanes, blizzards or even forest fire. My personal disaster has been ongoing for a long time - economic. For years now. No sign that in these times, our personal economics are going to get any better. I consider gardens, goats and ducks to be my third tier: Long-Term sustainable. And I've already incorporated that too. With the price of most fruit/veggies, I NEED garden crops or our diet would be without much variety. I won't buy over a certain price....we do without. So seriously Gunplumber...you don't think you'd have any Hooey longer than a few weeks..months? Why? BTW...mechanism for sprouting is: beans or seeds [organic and local is better Definitely NOT treated seeds!], quart canning jar, one lid ring [not the flat part of lid], and some cloth mesh. Dump seeds and water into jar. Let soak 24 hrs. Dump out water and rinse. Do not leave water in jar now tho. Rinse 1-2 times daily as the sprouts grow. Put into sunlight to get full GREEN. Low tech. Yes, I'd heard that toasting the sprouts and grinding them into breads, pancakes, etc is very nutritious. Also one indoor way to get fresh enzymes during a seige of whatever. Without enzymes from some fresh foods, the digestive tract is messed up. MtRider

You may have a point, Gunplumber! So....this is the SECOND Hundred things to go....? Or maybe it's the First 100 things to go if prep-minded people are shopping. Haven't seen reports where folks in a hurricane's path go on a goat-buying binge. Seriously tho, it's likely the things that people go for if a disaster lasts a long time, which naturally would be the point of looking at it. In Hawaii....the FIRST thing to disappear is the rice. I've heard of the popularity of Doritoes for Hurricane Parties. Looters ....well, they are a different mindset entirely. MtRider

This addition was at the bottom of the link that Midnightmom posted in "37 Critical Items". I thot it was worth bringing over to our LIST thread.

These kinds of stuggles always seem to put our own in perspective. God, spread Your healing balm over everyone close to this dear woman who is fighting this disease. Give docs wisdom and the treatments Your power. MtRider

Welcome to MrsS, SurviveEofS. You pulled out a goodie but oldie from the infamous Cookiejar! Glad to see it again. MtRider

Well, we used the carne asada meat. We fried some and DH tasted it. Then we rinsed some off well and fried a couple bits. I tasted it. Chew, chew, chew....and then an incindiary device went off in my mouth! Hyiyiyiyi!!! My tastebuds are arranged so that I taste HOT very easily. Whoooooeeeee, waaay off the chart HOT! I had hamberger while DH munched happily on tortilla, meat,fried onion and green pepper. MtRider

Hmmm, well I do have low carb tortillas and fresh spinach..... Is carne asada supposed to be HOT spicey? MtRider

Can anyone give me an idea for carne asada seasoned meat? I've never done anything with it but DH bought it on SALE. Also, we're Low Carb. MtRider [...hate thinking up meal ideas... ]

HEY! How'd you do that, Annarchy? Thanks! Aren't they cool? Can't you see that against adobe brick wall? MtRider [...not techno-talented ]

I just stumbled onto this site and this idea is so incredibly simple, cheap, and easy. I'll see if I can copy a pic but this is the site: http://www.casasugar.com/Vertical-Recycled-Bottle-Gardens-18472965 rats....doesn't 'paste' Go take a look. MtRider [...thinking of how I might shine a shop light onto a wall of my basement for this odd greenhouse.... ??? ]

Bubble wrap to windows: I use the clear packing tape. I lay out the bubble wrap and carefully stick tape along the edges. Then I hoist that side up the the windows and stick the other half of the applied tape to the wooden window frame. However, in this rustic cabin, I have rough-sawn wood for framing. If you have NICE window frames...painted, etc,...this would not be a good idea. That's why I'm thinking of double-sided sticky tape. Stick to the bubble wrap and the other side, stick to the window glass. With goo-gone, you can get the sticky residue off in the spring if it leaves some ick. Since the bubble wrap is so light-weight, it doesn't take much but be sure to secure any area that might have a draft leaking thru. Now you might check to see if you have drafty leaks around the window frame itself. If so, you could get a larger piece of bubble wrap and hang it over the whole frame and all. Not just the glass portion. Cover with curtains, I guess. I just tuck the sides of the bubble wrap in the gap between log wall and the window framing. Someone mentioned large pieces of insulation styrofoam boards. BTDT Lived in an 'igloo' one winter...decades ago. Gives me the willies to be so closed in without light but we had NO $$$ for excess heating costs that year. However, these boards, properly fitted, can be taken out during the daytime, especially while the sun is on that side of the house. If you have a very large insulating board, they can be a bit unweildy. So I made a "handle" on one that covered a large window. Poke two small holes thru at a good spot to grab. Thread cord or thick yarn thru both holes, making a loop on the original side. On the other side, either tie the two ends together or....tie a large button or something to keep the cord from pulling back thru. Y'all that are still planting veggies and suffering thru triple digits.... it's rather inconceivable to me. Early this morning it was 35 degrees here at 9,000'. Aug 15 is the ending of our 'frost-free' time period. After that, all bets are off with tender veggies. {sigh} I wish you could send some of that heat directly to my garden. NOT to my house, mind you! Hang in there. Later, while I've got a 2' blizzard, you'll merely be chilly or wet. MtRider [...had to turn swamp cooler off today...Brrrr ]