Ebola

[ArmyOfFive4God]

Watched an interesting couple of youtubes from The Patriot Nurse.

Do link us, please. I've seen some of hers, but did I miss something??? LOL! I like her no nonsense attitude/approach.

[TheCG]

 

Watched an interesting couple of youtubes from The Patriot Nurse.

Do link us, please. I've seen some of hers, but did I miss something??? LOL! I like her no nonsense attitude/approach.

 

 

I'm watching it now.

[sassenach]

Thomas Eric Duncan, the patient in Dallas Hospital has died, report on CNN, breaking news @ this time. Regrettable.

[Jeepers]

First Ebola patient diagnosed in the US dead

Oct 8th 2014 11:31AM
DALLAS (AP) -- The first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States died Wednesday morning in a Dallas hospital Wednesday, a hospital spokesman said.

Thomas Eric Duncan was pronounced dead at 7:51 a.m. at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas, where he was admitted Sept. 28 and has been kept in isolation, according to spokesman Wendell Watson.

Duncan's condition was changed on Saturday from serious to critical.

Duncan carried the deadly virus with him from his home in Liberia, though he showed no signs when he left for the United States. He arrived in Dallas Sept. 20 and fell sick a few days later.

Others in Dallas still are being monitored as health officials try to contain the virus that has ravaged West Africa, with more than 3,400 people reported dead. They also trying to tamp down anxiety among residents frightened of contracting Ebola, though the disease can be spread only through direct contact with the bodily fluids of an already sick person.

Health officials have identified 10 people, including seven health workers, who had direct contact with Duncan while he was contagious. Another 38 people also may have come into contact with him.

The four people living in the northeast Dallas apartment where Duncan stayed have been isolated in a private residence.

Everyone who potentially had contact with Duncan will be monitored for 21 days, the normal incubation period for the disease.

Duncan passed an airport health screening in Liberia, where doctors took his temperature and found no other signs of Ebola symptoms. But a few days after he arrived, he began to have a fever, headache and abdominal pain.

He went to the emergency room of Texas Health Presbyterian in Dallas on Sept. 24, but was sent home. By Sept. 27, his condition had worsened. An ambulance that day took him back to the hospital, where he stayed in isolation.

The hospital has changed its explanation several times about when Duncan arrived and what he said about his travel history. It has acknowledged that Duncan told them on his first visit that he came from West Africa.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/10/08/report-first-ebola-patient-diagnosed-in-the-us-has-died/20974645/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D542407

[The WE2's]

One of the things that The Patriot Nurse mentioned that may have passed over a lot of heads is the "private" areas of a persons body that can carry several diseases. In one of her videos (I can't find it again) she talks about airplane bathrooms etc., and the dangers that could be there. It's my opinion that we need to treat ANY public bathroom as a place of danger. I know a lot of people laugh because I carry a "Go Girl" but it's a safer way if I have to use a public restroom or one of those "out houses" of blue or gray :-( This is another reason I love Miss B...if we're doing day trips etc., I don't have to use public restrooms. If I do find myself too far away from the camper van, I can stand in front of the infamous portable potties or ... hide behind a tree just like MrWE2 :-) Wash our hands, wash our hands, WASH OUR HANDS! before and after using a public facility "if we have to". One of the things that we have discussed many, many times is the difference of opinions in survivalist mentalities. Some say "nobody can survive on their own" and yet others say "the metro areas will be the first to die" because of their close proximity to one another. In a SHTF situation it's our humble opinion that we'll hunker down pretty much alone. There may be a few individuals that we would allow inside our circle, but that's only because we know they're of like mind and we also know their personal hygiene practices etc. If people are careless before a crisis, they'll be terrible after it hits when water is scarce and probably a dunk in a creek will be cold. Rant? Nope, just our opinions :-)

[Katz25]

Another person in Dallas area has been suspected with ebola. I'm not sure I think one person, but some are saying two have been identified today. IDK because I'm at work. But this is the link to the person in Frisco, TX:

 

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Frisco-Investigating-Possible-Ebola-Case-278555081.html

[sassenach]

Thanks, was just going to post,

this is the link I have.

http://twitchy.com/2014/10/08/breaking-new-ebola-patient-in-dallas/

[Mt_Rider]

WE2's thots on use of public restrooms..... Lets resurrect the thread about the GoGirl and other devices down in the Women's forum. [unless the guys want in on this part of prepping for E. ]

 

 

That link says a deputy who had been inside Thomas Duncan's apartment....not feeling well but not showing specific signs of Ebola. Taking all precautions with respirators, gloves, gowns, ....both ambulance drivers and the deputy. He walked into Presbyterian Hospital.

 

Y'know, I think the medical folks are starting to get their protocols/procedures figured out. That's a good thing....is it enough?

 

MtRider

[sassenach]

We should know if he has ebola later tonight or tomorrow. they can test it pretty fast with the cdc team there in Dallas I think. So he was a deputy in contact with Mr. Duncan. As in the same room with the man.............uh huh........

 

I hope it is just a case of the flu!

This is the day period, 8 to 10 days when it usually shows up but can go as long as 21 days before symptoms can show.

[Jakk]

I saw this lady at Walmart today. She is wearing a surgical mask which won't do much against flu or ebola. I honestly have no qualms about wearing my N95's out in public but at this point I'm not at the panic stage where I think it's necessary. I think my line in the sand will be anything in my state or one of my bordering states.

[Mt_Rider]

Well, screening has begun. I would hope anyone who has gotten that far would simply say they have symptoms. They would WANT to go to a hospital, right?

 

http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/Ebola/47996?isalert=1&uun=g702495d2301R5864852u&utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-news&xid=NL_breakingnews_2014-10-08

 

 

 

U.S. to Begin Limited Airport Screening for Ebola

Published: Oct 8, 2014 | Updated: Oct 8, 2014

By John Gever, Managing Editor, MedPage Today

Airline passengers arriving at five U.S. airports that receive most travelers from West Africa will face screening for Ebola symptoms as soon as this weekend, federal officials said.

JFK International Airport in New York City will be the first to implement the screening, beginning Saturday, according to a joint statement from the CDC and the Department of Homeland Security's Customs and Border Protection (CBP) division. Washington-Dulles, Chicago-O'Hare, Atlanta-Hartsfield, and Newark airports will commence screening some time next week.

"After passport review, travelers from Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone will be escorted by CBP to an area of the airport set aside for screening," the statement said. Trained staff will then "observe them for signs of illness, ask them a series of health and exposure questions and provide health information for Ebola and reminders to monitor themselves for symptoms."

Medical personnel will also conduct temperature checks on all such passengers with noncontact thermometers, the agencies said.

Travelers with signs of potential Ebola illness will then be taken to a quarantine station for further evaluation.

Those with no red flags will be given health information on self-monitoring and asked to perform daily temperature checks on themselves and to provide contact information.

In the past year, JFK has received almost half of all travelers from the hot-zone nations of Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea, the agencies said. Collectively, the five airports have handled about 94% of passengers from these countries.

CDC and CBP also said they had been working with authorities in the affected African countries to implement exit screening, which is now being implemented on all outbound travelers. The agencies said that 77 individuals had been stopped from boarding aircraft as a result of the screening, although none were later found to have Ebola. Many of those denied boarding actually had malaria.

 

 

MtRider

[ArmyOfFive4God]

I saw this lady at Walmart today. She is wearing a surgical mask which won't do much against flu or ebola. I honestly have no qualms about wearing my N95's out in public but at this point I'm not at the panic stage where I think it's necessary. I think my line in the sand will be anything in my state or one of my bordering states.

Is she wearing scrubs?? Maybe it's not for Ebola? I see people not rarely wearing N95 type masks. I think people with compromised immune symptoms wear them any time they go out. Usually it IS older people, but it's nothing new to me to see this. Did you talk to this woman? Just thinking out loud- food for thought.

[Jeepers]

Where I live I've never seen anyone wearing a mask in public. Well, maybe except in the coldest part of winter and then it's usually the elderly.

 

I had a Dr. appointment Monday and there wasn't one single person in the waiting except for me. No one in there when I left either. I guess that's not a popular to hang out these days.

[Jakk]

I didn't speak with her. I thought about it, but I had my 9 yr old with me and I'd rather discuss it when she isn't around. I did find Sambucol at Kmart today. It was marked down to $2 each. They only had one bottle of syrup and one box of quick dissolve tablets.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Jakk

[Katz25]

When I heard it was one of the police, I thought about the arrogant Judge who went there with no protection to take the family to their "new" place to live. He said he wanted to show everyone there was no fear of anyone getting sick with ebola and then went home to a wife and small child. I wonder how he feels tonight, still so self assured. I swear some people in Texas can be so stupid - I can say that because I live here!! LOL!!

 

Did anyone catch "The Kelley Report" tonight when Sen. Cruz said that the CDC said that by January, 2015 there would be one million cases of ebola? I had to sit here a minute because I couldn't comprehend that. I mean this is October, so what are they expecting?

 

Also in Texas the family is saying they have been discriminated against because he wasn't given the same treatment as a the white patients with ebola. He didn't get the vaccine or whatever, he didn't get the blood like the reporter is getting, he was turned away from the hospital, his family was left with no help. While I can see some of the statements as true I just want to say. "WHY WAS HE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, HE LIED TO GET HERE, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE LETTING PEOPLE FLY HERE BACK AND FORTH AND THRU OUR BORDERS!!!

 

Okay I'll get off my soap box except for this...ebola could cause a huge migration of people from other countries across our borders bringing all kinds of diseases. What is wrong with this country??

 

https://screen.yahoo.com/ebola-could-trigger-huge-migration-132425910.html

[Jakk]

I agree. They were saying on the news tonight that if there is a mass outbreak in Mexico, Honduras or Guatemala those people are going to storm the USA like nothing we have ever seen before looking for free healthcare. That ticks me off. I can't afford to take my kids to the doctor even with health insurance until I reach a $4000 deductible, and these people think they can come here and get top notch care for free.

[Katz25]

And Jakk they do...better than us.

[sassenach]

Katz, not that I want to be foolish about this, but I have weighed pro's and cons about my ventures on Tuesday at a certain community based center I go to alot . I can't stand the pc stuff they are shoving down the younger one's throats or even the way they running their lunch program. It was the procedure I wanted to address. I hear it got corrected within the methodology and seemed to work better, but I just couldn't go back this week......... and believe me, I know so many of the people are very ignorant who go there and many of the employees are in la la land. I do not want to be in a place with two hundred people in it, at this point, partly because I am getting so little out of my time spent there and its annoying me on certain issues. I have seen plenty of people definitely show up sick as dogs but oh they wanted to come..... the swine flu made its round while it mutated to something that knocked the heck out of me and one of the employees told me later his mom was a nurse and worked at the hospital and she had been exposed and ill with that version and he had but he was younger than both of us and bounced back much sooner. It had lost its respiratory problem and mutated to what we got. It took me about 10 weeks to start feeling like I had any energy again at all.

 

People have come in with viral pneumonia and serious very infectious types of bronchitis. Others got sick...... over the years. Lately its been worse in the last year, this I don't think, therefore I don't bother if it bothers others , or something mentality.

 

Well when it comes to ebola, it kills every one, every age, equally. Very high mortality rate...... and at first it feels like the flu.

 

Yea, gives me the absolute creeps.

 

So, even if they look at me cross eyed , I just may not be going there for much of anything, maybe only to meet staff and then just bother with the bus or get a ride somehow.

 

I get more out of the knitting groups and Outlander groups and Mrs S anyway, and I can just nest and do stuff without lots of people around.

 

I can hang with a few friends down the street and another may be moving to town. She is pretty sensible though and will listen to any cautions I tell her about and she believes in prepping. Shes going through a devastating time right now though, but once that is settled if she moves to town here, my other friends and I can help her out. Shes a good cool gal and we have good times talking. We can look out for each other. She's the one with the Newfie Pup that is already getting huge.

 

I hope that deputy that went in to get tested is really ok and does not have it.

 

But it sure looks to me like it is easier to transmit than only touching a mess of the body fluids or feces cleaning and such, or getting coughed on , point blank. Even the Spanish nurse lady only recalls touching her face with gloved hands after touching the priest who passed away from ebola. I felt so bad Spain put the dog down. The dog was probably just fine. So far only monkeys and humans get this ebola stuff , from what I have heard. They just didn't want to do a quarantine of the pet and have to take care of it I think.

 

 

What happens to our pets if we get sick , get taken away to an isolation place, Will they kill them all too? Livestock, horses? How far would they take that kind of measure? It is another category we need to prepare for, make arrangements for or something.

 

Until they prove it can go to domestic animals, I don't think that was fair at all and hope Americans can do a lot better when it comes to our own pets.

 

I can see giving them a sanitizing bath with appropriate protective gear and such , maybe giving them echinacea and silver iodide in their water for a few weeks to make sure they are 'treated' . Something like that anyway. Sure, its an expense but I think its fair to try because I doubt domestic animals will get it. Only a vicious dog that actually bloody bites an infected person and then slobbers all over you or bites someone else should be put down, but not a docile pet. The people can pay for this to be done usually.

 

 

Yep, I was very upset to see that happen to her dog.

 

We do rescues for all kinds of reasons in this country when it comes to dogs and cats and horses, I hope someone starts coming up with some solutions for them over this issue if it gets going.

[Jeepers]

The issue with the dog really upset me too. I think they are just being super cautious with the guy in the hospital now. If I was in his place I'd be so worried I'd be making myself sick. Any little symptom I had I'd probably panic. I hope and pray that's all this is.

[sassenach]

According to WHO 25% to 90% die of Ebola if infected.

 

[mom11]

Don't know where I read it, but I think they said that animals can catch ebola, and they don't show any symptoms. Really sad for the nurse, but what if the pet could spread ebola? That would be awful and imagine the panic, as ebola spread and no one knew from where.....What a mess this disease causes!

[Annarchy]

What about misquotes?

[Katz25]

I didn't like what they did to the dog either, I think they paniced and just did it. The dog could have been tested, just wrong. On another site a lady said you might as well separate yourself from your dog now and get use to it because it was coming. I said my dog is part of my prep, she is my companion and my security-both physically and mentally.

 

I hope the policeman is okay too. I saw his son on TV last night, felt very sorry for his family.It seems lots of mistakes have been done here in Texas and other places. I don't think people are taking this seriously enough, but I can't do anything about other people, just keep prepping.

 

One other thing I wondered yesterday with the cop is that they said the testing would take about 48 hrs to determine if it was ebola or not...so how come the plane that was stopped they let everyone go in two hours. What sense does that make?

Edited October 9, 2014 by Katz25

[Twilight]

I read the fact that the LEO are sick...but of what? but the people that lived/stayed/touched the now dead

are not sick. Have the natives become carriers since they did not get the disease? Or do we not know enough

about Ebola?

[sassenach]

bats and some of the primates I believe is what they meant about animals that can carry it, in Africa, so far. I had heard absolutely nothing about other mammals or insects like mosquitoes being carriers.

This is a very good question.

Two questions really, which animals and do mosquitoes have the capability?

I am thinking it is primate based more than canine.

Most of the bats in north America only eat fruit or flying insects , so unless there is direct handling , that is not much of a concern.

 

Finding the original infection , which was a young boy ( little) playing in the forest on the edge of town, was bitten by an animal that was ill. I think it was primate, a monkey of some sort , is what I have heard. It would be good to find links to this reference. WHO may have it.