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I have been following your numbers daily and have really appreciated it. I know it's a lot of work for you. Thank you so much for all you do to help us stay informed.  If you don't post it perhaps the

Friend of mine, acquaintance actually, but someone I know, just got admitted to the Covid unit.  Pray for Suzanne.

So, I started feel sick after work last Thursday. We’ve had lots of fever and cough rolling through our center for weeks. I can pretty much pin point the child who coughed right in my face and I wasn’

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One thing about the elderly, most of us have had the pneumonia vaccination. I assume it would protect us from getting pneumonia during a viral outbreak? I'm anxious to see how the woman and her husband are doing in Chicago with the coronavirus. I heard they are in their 60's. 

 

Prayers for your brother. :pray:

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It was on news tonight that it has now hit the east coast.  One confirmed in Boston MA.  They also said they are opening all military bases to house those that they are quarantining across the country. We have naval bases all around us. Not going to be good. They said that bases across the US will be housing anyone coming in from other countries will be quarantined. More coming in from China that are being evacuated. Would love to know what is truth and what is tin foil hat. Not sure if we are really getting the full truth on this virus. Thinking also that China is covering up things. I never prepared for the Sars outbreak in 2014 as I really didn't think it would go that far. But this virus is everywhere in almost all countries it seems. And it only takes one to be infected to spread it. My daughter whom never gets the flu vac. because of reactions went and got it. Even  my 18 year old grandson told me today he got his also. I was glad of that. My daughter wants to get the pnumonia vac. again but she had such a bad reaction to it, she's afraid to do it. Told her to talk to doctor and tell her what happened. They might be able to give it to her in smaller doses and keep her there to counteract any reaction. 

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Dogmom and Beryl.... :thumbs:   for the maps!!  I DO like my data!!

 

MtRider  :pray: 

I don’t know. Looking at that link is really unnerving. When I saw it for the first time on Tuesday the number of cases was less than 7,000...today that number is over 14,000. The number of of deaths was 160...today it’s 304. 

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6 hours ago, Littlesister said:

Would love to know what is truth and what is tin foil hat

 

You've hit it right on the nose, Lil'Sister.   News sites and YouTube will rake in more sponsors by the clicks....  :shrug:   Buyer beware.

 

DH has been watching this and the R0 [that's R aught...a zero written lower than the R]  number for this one is still pretty low.  R0 number indicates how many others one infected person is likely to pass it on to....  In China, it's still at an average of 2.6 other people.   [but might change and might be less in other countries.]  The more people it spreads to in MEGA numbers....of course the death numbers will increase.  But the death ratio to infected ....that's still not very high.  2.3% is the last I've heard.   [IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT, obviously] 

 

If you are elderly....have other health problems.....smoker [since this seems to hit lungs]....   These are the folks most likely to die. 

 

These are the folks who have elevated risk factors for any illness.  :shrug:   I am NOT minimizing the death of any one of those hundreds that have died...will die.  All are mourned by family/friends.  Globally, we all are sorry for them.  But.....in deciding if those numbers are alarming....yet?  Not yet, to me.  Awareness alert....definitely.  But then preppers are always trying to Be Aware.

 

Is it still true that there have been no deaths outside of China....yet?   It seems, as of yet,  [notice I keep qualifying statements made tonite 2/1/2020]  that IF everyone infected can be treated in a modern medical facility, they have a pretty good chance of surviving this.  A very good reason for the huge effort to get those Hubei hospitals built.  And they are doing it.  [although it looked like they might be building on rather soggy ground next to a body of water.  Hope its going up safely! ]   :pray:  

 

MtRider .....my reflections as of tonite.... with :pray: for all dealing with this....AND the other viruses.

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The first death outside of China has just happened (Philippines). I agree Mt.Rider that we probably have nothing to worry about with a good hospital system....but, just as you are the queen of scenarios ;), I am the queen of letting my imagination run wild.....:hapydancsmil:.

As the California cases move north (Santa Clara)  and get closer....and the government has decided to use Travis Air Force Base as  one of the places to house people who have potentially been exposed....I’m having a hard time reining it in. Travis is a 15 minute drive from me.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/health/travis-air-force-base-coronavirus/103-0a2fc65f-9be1-4083-843d-06784634db95

 

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I just thought to subtract all the Chinese reports.  That means 11 deaths out of 179 confirmed cases.  This thing is killing one out of every sixteen people who fall ill.

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:darlenequeen: :darlenequeen:   ....it appears that we are both the queens of IMAGINATION, Dogmom.  I turn my wild ideas into stories.....in an attempt to keep a rein on them!!!!  ;)  

 

BUT, if they are right in your "backyard", I think your imagination should begin plotting the story line of how you and yours will hunker down at home with self-quarantine.  I think it's time to take that story line to the store ....IN REAL LIFE......and make sure you have enough of anything to make that scenario a reality....if necessary.  Make sure you have several ways of communication ....if self-quarantine should become necessary.   Updated data is vital.      :unsure:   

 

.......and please don't panic cuz I've said that.  :hug3:  If they do things right and anyone ill gets good treatment, the affects should not be bad here.  But this IS a situation we plan for.  We don't want to be the ones needing the good hospital care.  Prevention is a good word to be using.  Dogmom, I'm so sorry you're much closer to this situation than is comfortable.  That would make me itch....like being just a few miles from a wildfire EVAC zone.  I HAVE lived that one and it's awfully uncomfortable.  :(     Deciding WHEN it's TOO CLOSE and you need to self-quarantine...  :sigh:  That's a very hard call to make.  

 

In one of the articles I read, it stated that to catch this virus, you need to be within 6 feet or so of the virus-shedding person.  Has anyone else seen this and is it verified?   That would mean "15 minute drive" is a loooong way from where you can pick up this virus, Dogmom.  

 

NEXT QUESTIONS:  Has anyone seen if this virus lives on surfaces and how long before it dies there?  And what kills the cells?  Merely alcohol-based products like the hand cleaners and wipes or does it require bleach products?   I guess we are now at the point of needing to know the truth of these more specific questions.  That also will help determine if/when we'd need to self-quarantine.  ANYONE KNOW?

 

Philippines.....some very modern/some not.  One part of it has been dealing with that volcano eruption/evacuations.  And at what stage of illness did a person arrive at a hospital will also be important for being able to save them.  I'm not trying to dodge the death issue but these are variables that change the outcome stats.  Not getting meds right away made me a LOT sicker than I needed to be with bronchitis.

 

No one is identified in my community yet.  One possible in CO now tho...  I've been to the hospital bldg [my doc is in that bldg]  3 times in the past 3 weeks.  So far, I believe that's safe.  But I am certainly going to keep watching for any hint of change in that status. 

 

MtRider   :pc_coffee:

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spellling book of Bible vs Asian country LOL
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Ambergris.....definitely numbers coming out of China will be....suspect.  I just don't know what to do with that.....  :shrug:  ....other than keep watching to see if the statistics change. 

 

I don't understand what you did with the numbers in your next post.  [numbers have never been my friends]   Where are the 11 deaths you are now counting by eliminating the "possibly inaccurate" Chinese data?  Good idea, but where are the numbers coming from?

 

MtRider  :pc_coffee:

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NEXT QUESTIONS:  Has anyone seen if this virus lives on surfaces and how long before it dies there?  And what kills the cells?  Merely alcohol-based products like the hand cleaners and wipes or does it require bleach products.    I guess we are now at the point of needing to know the truth of these more specific questions.  That also will help determine if/when we'd need to self-quarantine.  ANYONE KNOW?

 

 

I'm pretty sure that the vid I posted by Dr Berry talks about this. I remember him saying that the hand "sanitizer" is NOT sufficient and that you must use soap and water. Don't really remember what he said about surfaces though.

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Thanks, Midnight.  I can't watch vids...or not often due to insufficient Internet plan. 

 

I keep forgetting that SOAP AND WATER is very good for sanitizing.  How dumb is that?  :buttercup: 

 

MtRider   :pc_coffee:

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I got them off the link that has the charts in either this  or the other post listing how many from each country were infected, had died, had recovered.

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Soooo.....more deaths in countries outside of China?  More than Philippines one?   Data is changing so fast...hard to keep up. 

 

Can you tell I'm reluctant to give up my "modern hospital care will reduce deaths" theory?  :shrug: 

 

MtRider  ....back to checking stats again... 

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I just checked the sites that Beryl and Dogmom posted here.  

 

14.637 confirmed infected with nCOV

304 deaths in China

1 in Philippines

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

I can't figure out if that 'dashboard' is updating information or not tho..... 

 

MtRider  :pc_coffee:

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It isn't very often.  The recovered went up by 50% a couple of hours ago, but the other two totals have not budged since yesterday.

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I just saw a blurb on the news that health care workers in Hong Kong have voted to go on strike tomorrow because China wouldn't close their borders on the mainland. Hopefully it can be resolved before they actually walk. 

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Accidentally ran into these articles:

 

1)  Death in Philippines first outside of China  [updated 15 hrs from 2:30pm CO time Sunday]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-death-in-philippines-said-to-be-first-outside-china

 

"   44-year-old Chinese man visiting the Philippines ...... from Wuhan, China ......     He was admitted to a hospital in Manila on Jan. 25 and developed severe pneumonia soon after, Reuters reported. "

 

2) CA, CO, and TX military bases will be used to house nCOV virus EVACUEES held in quarantine...  Looks like I'll be in the same scenario as Dogmom!  Of course...there are no military bases up in our mountains but.....will be within my state.  Move over, Dogmom.  I'm joining you.  :behindsofa: 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-evacuees-housed-california-texas-colorado-military-bases-air-force

 

3)  A Fox News article on if you're safe to receive packages shipped from China....  It has some DATA on estimated times the virus lives on inert surfaces.  [might be their best current guess tho ]  :shrug: 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/packages-coronavirus-china-safe-to-handle

 

 

MtRider   :pc_coffee:

 

 

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I am not going to panic. I’ve already started looking at what we might need more of if we need to shelter in place.

My job is unfortunately not a good one for social distancing, lol. I should put something on a loop that says “Cover your mouth when you cough.” Ever had a 4 year old stand right in front of you and sneeze and there’s no time to react? That’s my life. :gaah:  I’ve actually stayed fairly healthy this school year. I’ve only had to take 3 sick days...I wash hands repeatedly and wipe down my room every day. That being said my small program has had the flu A, impetigo and hand foot mouth roll through in the past three weeks because our kids have siblings in every school in the district and...we have visiting scholar families from many countries...including China (several of whom have come in the past month). So...yes...I will keep myself educated because it’s not just me...I have three family members in their 80’s and hubby with a compromised immune system who I wouldn’t want to bring home the germs.

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OK....data from the last link I posted above.....regarding life span of this virus on dry surface, etc:

 

all are quotes except inside of [  ]  which is my comments:

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----- scientists are still working to understand the novel virus, it is closely related to SARS, which can live on surfaces for about two days, according to a 2003 University of Minnesota study  [they report that packages take 3 days from China to CA...]

 

------CDC... most commonly spread through the air when an infected person coughs or sneezes, close contact with an infected person (shaking hands for example) ...... also by touching an object or surface that has been exposed to the virus, then touching your mouth, nose, or eyes with dirty hands.

 

------ Outside the body, we believe this virus only survives on [an] object minutes to an hour or so, not the days it takes your goods to travel the globe,”  Patricia A. Stinchfield, vice president of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases (NFID) .... As always after handling things, wash your hands before touching your eyes, nose or mouth.”

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Sooooo....they are trying to narrow down the questions about how long it lives on dry surface, etc.  How long do the particulates hang in the air .... to then be breathed in by someone else?

 

:buttercup:   ....didn't plan on this being my full time focus today.  But yeah, Dogmom.  When you find they are importing folks in to be quarantined to your state, it ups the ante. 

 

By the way.....if you get packages from Amazon or anywhere :  don gloves or plastic bread wrappers.  Slice the box open and dispose of box in a trash bag.  Dump contents into a different container.  Dispose of the gloves or other hand covering.  Perhaps use alcohol/soap-water to wash off any contents/packaging within the delivery box.  If contents not washable.....  :shrug:   Hang outside for a couple days?  THESE ARE MY PLANS....assess for yourselves, please. 

 

MtRider   ....who's from Texas? 

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MtRider   ....who's from Texas? 

 

Me!  But nowhere near the military bases.

 

Momma to 3 boys is as well, but I don't *think* she's near any.

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I think they had some cases in Japan. Not sure of that and hoping no.  I am planning to go to the funeral home on Friday to pay my respects to the family of the Doctor I worked for as he has passed away. His family has or is coming in from Japan. So my issue would be if the virus is in Japan and not knowing where Dr. Matsushige's brothers and sisters are coming in from. Should we go or not. Don't want to take any chances with DH's health issues. He would not survive this virus.  I worked for this doctor for 20 years. He was internal and pulmonary specialist. One of the best. 

Glad to see these questions being answered as I was wondering how long this virus would last on things. We have a grandson in the Army that is stationed in Texas. That raises some concern for us. My granddaughter's DH is also finishing up school for Naval Hosp. in Texas. He will be done on the 10th and back in Maryland on the 15th. So this really does put us in a worrisome state. 

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