2020 Corona Virus

[Mt_Rider]

Some of this...."data" ....might still be considered preliminary guess.....

 

MtRider  ....just sayin'   

[Ambergris]

As if health officials in China don't have enough on their hands with a spreading coronavirus, now officials announced an outbreak of bird flu.

China's Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs announced Saturday an outbreak of a highly pathogenic strain of H5N1 bird flu at a farm in the southern province of Hunan.

The virus was discovered on a farm with nearly 8,000 chickens - more than half of them have already died because of the outbreak.

China is not alone in trying to tamp down the spread of this virus.

Earlier this week authorities in India started culling chickens and destroying eggs to contain the bird flu virus.

And a different strain - the H5N8 virus - has spread throughout eastern Europe in recent weeks.

A bird flu outbreak in China back in 2013 ended up costing $6.5 billion in economic losses, according to U.N. experts.

[Ambergris]

That was a cut and paste, not my work.

[Dee]

11th US Case of New Virus Confirmed in California

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2020-02-02/9th-us-case-of-new-virus-confirmed-in-san-francisco-bay-area

By Associated Press, Wire Service Content Feb. 2, 2020, at 9:18 p.m.

[dogmom4]

So...this morning  the number of deaths was 305 and this evening it’s 362? 

[Dee]

I have no idea.  It just came up on my newsfeed a few minutes ago and thought I'd share it.  

[Midnightmom]

 

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Transcript

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hey folks it's Patriot nurse join me

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today we're going to discuss updates on

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the corona virus and how its evolving

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and what we can do about it so I made a

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video about a week ago and in that video

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we talked about you know how virus is

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moving how it's affecting people and I

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want to just kind of take a breath here

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and talk some things over with folks and

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just kind of digest the new information

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that's that's been coming down so by the

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time that I get this video out I'm sure

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the situation will unfold it even more

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and we'll have more information that I

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just want to parse through what I've got

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at this point so right now all of the

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data that I've got we're looking at

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about 14,000 officially that have been

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reported as testing positive from the

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Chai comdata

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and yeah I'm going to call it that

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because they're Chinese Communists of

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the official data 304 patients of the

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14,000 positive diagnosis have resulted

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in death of the patient I want to

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discuss some of the rumors and you know

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the the social media fear factor

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regarding the reports of you know people

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dying in the streets and whatnot look

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are the trichomes probably not telling

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us the truth yeah like I am fully

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expecting that they're off to skating

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data I'm fully expecting that they're

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not being forthcoming with evidence they

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have every incentive to to lie frankly

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and that's what totality Aryan regimes

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do is that they lie not only to their

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people but they like to try and project

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a all sleep Oz ative perspective you

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know to the outside world of who they

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are and that they've got all their stuff

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together because really they don't but

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when it comes right down to it what can

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we really do about that not a whole lot

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and there's a lot of fear pandering

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frankly that's going on for various

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different reasons I think a lot of

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people are sharing you posts on social

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media and a lot of people are writing

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articles and sharing articles because

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they generally you'll want to inform

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people but the issue is that I mean I'm

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going to call the old felon in the room

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the prepper community / prepper industry

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the money-making mekin

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for preparedness has been in the toilet

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over the past four years and I think

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there's a lot of opportunism into trying

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and to try and scare people into

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panicking and buying things and that's

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not helpful right what is helpful is

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looking at the facts and encouraging

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people to take proactive steps in their

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own health one of the reasons why in my

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opinion the corona virus is spreading

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the way that it is in China is a few

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different reasons a China is a very

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densely populated country okay their

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populations are centered especially in

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urban areas very very closely packed

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together in very very dense as far as

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hygiene practices in mainland China

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they're not so hot yeah in fairness in

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mainland Asia is is very very challenged

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as far as public health understanding

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and implementation of Public Health

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practices I'll give you an example when

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I was in the indo-chinese Peninsula a

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few years back I was in a major

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marketplace in one of the densest cities

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in that region most densely populated

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cities in that region and one of the

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things they tell Westerners of course is

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not to eat the street food duh but

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anyway I was waiting for a friend and I

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was sitting behind this feller who was

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selling these little deep fried bananas

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with sugar glaze topping and I was

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looking at him back in the day you know

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I was looking at like oh man that looks

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really really good but am I gonna get

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any street food because I want to be

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smart right so I sat down behind a dude

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you know I had a vision of him and so I

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was waiting about 15-20 minutes for my

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friend I watched this dude who was

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selling food to the general public he

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took this bag of Ziploc baggie full of

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sugar that was supposed to be the topic

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for the banana and he like put spit on

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his finger dipped it in the sugar and

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then put it back in and back in and then

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I watched him serve other people like

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the general in suspecting pockets I

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watched him served the general public

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with you know that feedback so this is I

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don't want to say that that's

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necessarily standard based on my

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experience but I could tell you that the

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is abysmal and the marketplace that I

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visited that was also very touristy a

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lot of Western and European tourists

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visited there there were rats everywhere

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it is a filthy place it is it's a filthy

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place and so you have to expect that

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when you have filth when you have a lack

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of general health practices and when you

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have frankly a lack of care for a fellow

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human beings and for personal

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responsibility viruses are gonna spread

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okay now when it comes to who's dying

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from the corona virus the people that

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are dying from this overwhelmingly are

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over 50 years old I'm not saying that

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people over 50 don't matter

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god forbid but let's be real here

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throughout the span of human history we

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have not seen from my reckoning a

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population stratification meaning the

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distribution of ages we have not seen a

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population stratification the way that

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things are currently configured in the

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world right now people didn't use to

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live this long and they certainly didn't

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use to live as sick as long as they live

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now so what's happening is you have

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people that frankly in eternity past

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would not have lived as long as they do

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when they contract this virus what seems

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to happen is that the virus activates

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the inflammatory response of the body

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and it's over activating it so or you

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could make the argument perhaps that the

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people who are dying from it who are

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having these overactive inflammatory

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responses perhaps there is an existing

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level of inflammation in the body

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because of their diet because of their

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lifestyle and the virus comes along and

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essentially people who are sick anyway

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who are just suppressing their sickness

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it just is the nail in the coffin like I

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said I'm not happy about this but I'm

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not for the panic okay I don't think

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panic is good I don't think it's logical

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I don't think it's rational and I'm

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gonna link in the description box below

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I want to link to you a video that is

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from the Horatio Hornblower series with

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yonger food which is an amazing series

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it's family-friendly

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actually a very moral but the episode is

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called the fire ships and there is an

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incident where they have to quarantine

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with plague and I want you to recognize

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something that human beings throughout

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history okay this has not changed no

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matter how Tecna fide and how evolve we

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may be human beings panic throughout

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history whenever they perceive epidemics

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or illness and rationality goes out the

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door it's like the stampede of Buffalo

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okay and so in the prepper community

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people talk about oh the Sheep of the

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Sheep how about we not be the Sheep okay

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because when you when you see all this

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fear it spreads and there's a lot of

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talk about the are not factor which is

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the basic reproductive capability of

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these viruses and how they spread and

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frankly I think that this is being

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parented without people truly

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understanding what the our not factor is

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and it's clinical limitations as a

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metric okay yes I rubbed my nose because

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I just washed my hands life's good I'm

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not gonna worry I'm not gonna live and

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you know I'm not gonna live my life in a

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biohazard bodysuit anyway

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the are not factor you know what spreads

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fat faster than the corona virus or any

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of these viruses fear people talk about

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the are not factor being you know in the

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2 to 4 wheelhouse just depending on what

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we're looking at you know for the corona

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virus I'm not worried about that

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like look at the the flu in the United

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States flu kills far more people than

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the corona virus house measles has an

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are not factor of what 18

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you know what fears are not factors it's

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in the thousands it spreads very very

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quickly and that's kind of the nature of

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human beings we have been genetically

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programmed I suppose because our

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ancestors recognize that fear could mean

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you know X number of times out of 100

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that there's a predator they need to

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flee from hence the stampede and the

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herd mentality but I don't I don't deal

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in fear right I deal in rationality and

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preparedness and proactive thinking and

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I think that's what we should be

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embracing right now the data that's

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coming out that I'm seeing and I believe

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it's the United States cases is that

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there is a definite fecal-oral

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transmissibility that has not been

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previously

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recognized in the past few weeks with

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the spread of the corona virus so

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basically when you go to the bathroom

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wash your hands and I don't care if you

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took a dump or not if you have been in

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the bathroom you need to wash your hands

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and especially be washing them regularly

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when you go into public places because I

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don't have trust factor I don't have I

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don't have a confidence interval that

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people around me are gonna be washing

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their hands I just don't so as far as

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what we can do here basic sanitation

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practices guys continue to wash your

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hands wash them figure Slee and wash

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them multiple times a day make sure that

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you're covering your cough like with

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your elbow not your freaking hands man

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just elbow okay we're something like a

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scarf or a garment we need to be

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limiting the amount of body fluid that

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we are dispersing throughout the air and

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in contact with surfaces we need to be

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regularly disinfecting our food prep

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areas this is one of the things that

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they're seeing as far as a an evaluation

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of the environment and China that seems

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to be spreading the corona virus is that

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you have coding issues okay you have

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ventilation issues you've got you know

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plumbing issues where you have people

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pooping and peeing in very close

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proximity to these food prep areas in

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densely populated areas of urban human

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population concentration so I don't see

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frankly that this is going to be a major

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death toll marker in the United States

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now I'm going to go based on the data

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that I've seen and I'm not going to be

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investing overly in the fear factor the

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paranoia paranoia factor the chat cons

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are lying about the facts I'm sure

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that's nothing is new about that if

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they're going to lie to you about the

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amount of political prisoners that they

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have when you know there are prison

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people for being Christians and for

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exercising their faith do you really

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think they're going to be honest with

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you about a communicable disease of

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course not right so but nothing is new

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about this yeah they're hiding info but

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that's not going to change how I live my

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life I'm gonna wash my hands I'm going

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to have the courtesy to knock off in the

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general direction of people you know who

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are in my immediate vicinity it's not

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hard guys eat well and make sure that

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you're taking care of yourself from a

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sleep wise standpoint you know get

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enough sleep try and make sure that

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you're clean bathe every day yes every

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day you don't have to use soap okay but

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just make sure that you're cleansing

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yourself regularly washing your hands of

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course like we talked about making sure

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to eat a diet that's rich in fresh

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fruits and vegetables and that's low in

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inflammatory inflammatory foods like

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sugar like process dairy just eating

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generally healthy and making sure you

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know just to relax okay you know take a

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big breath in the midst of all this your

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stress stress turns off your immune

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systems capabilities fight-or-flight

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turns off rest digest repair okay

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so just be chill about it okay just be

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smart practice good hygiene the people

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panicking over pandemics and and the

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risk of epidemic that's nothing new

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okay I've got books from the late

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18-hundreds one of them's called the

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history of epidemics and Great Britain

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and this came out prior to two germ

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theory okay was published didn't believe

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it was 1894 by oxford press and it gives

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an accounting of the nature and you know

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the the chronicles of the time from 16

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from mid 16 60s I think up to you know

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the late 18-hundreds when you're talking

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the Justinian plague in the

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Mediterranean with people getting just

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wiped out you know there's a lot that we

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can do now that we've learned since then

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and most of it is good hygiene good

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sanitation practices and overall eating

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well and supporting good health so just

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keep your end the midst of all this guys

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that's that's the best thing to do I

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hope it was helpful free.all if you

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enjoyed the video I hope you'll

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below and the altar I put a link to the

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Horatio Hornblower thing I'll try and

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put it up here in a card so that way you

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guys can click on it and see it watch

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that episode the entire thing it's like

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an hour and a half it's called the fire

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ships watch that episode and you will

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see the same repeatable phenomenon that

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are present when people panic in cases

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of suspected pandemics I hope it was

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helpful free all have a great

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stay safe and stay healthy pronounce

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patriot nurse I'll see ya later bye

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[snapshotmiki]

On 2/2/2020 at 2:04 PM, Midnightmom said:

Don't really remember what he said about surfaces though.

 

 

Old fashioned concentrated Lysol, I have heard or read.

[Littlesister]

Patriot Nurse is a good one.  I use the liquid Lysol all the time as well as the spray.  The liquid,, I wash towels and sheets with it. And I put some in dish washer as well as the dishes I wash by hand. Don't use bleach for silverware as it can ruin the finish on them. So the liquid works really well. I started doing that when DH kept getting those chronic sinus infections. Kept me from getting it. 

 

This came from my email and I don't know how to transfer the article to here. But the just of it is from Economic collapse, there are 4 plagues marching across Asia simultancoasly… the coronavirus, African swine fever, HSN1 bird flu, and H1N1 swine flu. 

Also if I heard this right that in China they have lost a lot of pigs and chickens to some of these bird flu and what ever it was that is making the pigs sick and dying.  Also heard that the China government is talking of killing off peoples pets, dogs and cats. That part I am unsure of. 

[Mt_Rider]

Wow, Midnight.  How did you get that transcript?  Interesting.  And common sense......practicing good sanitation goes a long way for any disease.

 

As for China's OTHER woes....yes, they were losing a lot of pigs a couple months (?) ago.  I don't remember if the type of disease was identified.  Then I heard a tale about bird flu re-emerging just in the past couple days.  Whew!  But it's a very large country so I don't know if some of these things are isolated to just one province/area???  For their sake, I hope they aren't dealing with all of that everywhere.

 

I'm still hearing that our good ole common flu season this year is wretched bad.  I can certainly testify that OUR version of flu has been nasty in that it hangs on and makes a person so weak.  Can't get strength/stamina back.  DH didn't get the complication of bronchitis and he also isn't "back to normal" yet.  But neither of us was anywhere near dying.  But older and frail folks are dying with our flu season.  Unless CDC is cooking those books.....a LOT of folks dying of flu-related causes. 

 

Which means keep up the extra sanitation practices right here in U.S.A.

 

MtRider      

Edited February 4, 2020 by Mt_Rider

[Ambergris]

Which one is H5N1 and which one is H5N8?

 

[Littlesister]

2 hours ago, Ambergris said:

Which one is H5N1 and which one is H5N8?

 

H5N1 is the Bird Flu.   As for H5N8, not heard of that one But the H1N1 is Swine flu.  Hope that helps.

[Mt_Rider]

Anyone else hearing about this?  It seems harsh that this many deaths from "flu related causes" is treated as a non-issue.  Until this year I'd never heard it was so high.  This year is higher than most, I've heard.  But....??? 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-10000-across-us-as-world-frets-over-coronavirus.html

 

MtRider   

[Ambergris]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

 

Edited February 5, 2020 by Ambergris

[dogmom4]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/asia/coronavirus-japan-cruise-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[Tokyo (CNN)Japanese authorities are racing to contain a possible outbreak of the Wuhan coronavirus after it was revealed that an infected passenger flew into Tokyo and spent a few days aboard a Princess Cruises ship, forcing authorities to lock down the vessel and quarantine thousands of people on board. 

The ship, the Diamond Princess, ended its planned 14-day itinerary early and is currently docked off the coast of Yokohama, not far from the Japanese capital. Medical officials are going room-by-room to check each guests' temperature and medical condition, Japan's health ministry said in a statement. Several passengers have reported feeling ill, and the tests to check if they contracted the virus will take four to five hours, the ministry said. 

Of the 31 people who have been tested for the virus, 10 cases tested positive for the virus, Japan's Health Ministry said. Authorities are still waiting for the results of more than 100 other samples. 

Passengers and crew were initially required to stay on board until at least Tuesday night, but it appears they may be there longer. Japanese health officials said more passengers than expected need to be temporarily quarantined while being tested, and it could take another day to finish the screenings. ]

 

This is part of the article...the part I highlighted is a bit concerning. Am I reading that right? 31 tested and 10 are positive?

 

[dogmom4]

Mt. Rider I’ve seen those numbers lately too. I had no idea they were so high.

[Ambergris]

So, thousands of potentially infectious people...

[The WE2's]

Can you imagine what it would be like if "it" escapes in the cities where the homeless are already spreading filth?  I'm thinking maybe having a good old winter snow/cold would do us good?  Just sayin...?  People tend to stay inside when it's frigid outside so not as much spreading around?  Picked up some more Vit D since I'm staying pretty much inside.  Got enough Magnesium and Echinacea to last us for a month or so, and plenty of Oregano Essential oil and Elderberry syrup as well as Elderberry juice.  

[Ambergris]

Looking now at a video from an insulin-dependent diabetic on the infected cruise ship.  He has not been fed in 15 hours and they do not know when food will next be served.  Which is, of course, why I--who am not diabetic--took food with me the only time I ever went on a cruise ship.  (Man, was I ever laughed at.  But...)

Edited February 5, 2020 by Ambergris

[mommato3boys]

This is from an email I received at work....

As of 1/31 there were approximately 10,000 cases worldwide most of which are in China

 

There have been approximately 200 deaths I. China

There are 6 confirmed cases in the US only one case has been human to human, none of the US cases have been severe

The incubation period thus far is proving to be an average of 5 days but anywhere from 2-14 days.

 

I have forwarded the to my personal email and will cut and paste it here tonight.

 

____________________________________________Edited to add.

 

This is the email in its entirety...minus the email address and names of sender.

Hi everyone,

                The following are bullet points I took away from the CDC COCA call today, if you joined in I apologize for the redundancy. 

 

• There are approximately 10000 cases worldwide most of which are in China
• There have been approximately 200 deaths in China
• There are 6 confirmed U.S cases with 1 being human to human case, none of the U.S cases have been severe
• Incubation period thus far is proving to be an average of 5 days but anywhere from 2-14 days
• There still remain a lot of unknowns there has to be a heavy emphasis on Precautions (PPE)
• There must be an aggressive approach to protect and contain spread
• Infection Control begins on arrival perhaps before (screening patients when they call for appts, EMS etc)
• Masking of patients with respiratory symptoms, fever, flu like symptoms should be standard practice
• Lack of airborne isolation does not negate the utilization of PPE indicated for the patient and the staff
• Staff should have a high level of comfort doffing PPE so as not to contaminate self
• At this time there are no recommendations other than routine procedures for environmental cleaning, laundry handling or waste
• Make sure you have contact numbers at ready access (state/IC/Administrator/Directors)
• There has been a wide spectrum of clinical illness sometimes vague.  The most common are fever and cough, less common has been diarrhea and sore throat.  Fever may be intermittent and some have not had fever.
• The hospitalized patients have been ones who came down with pneumonia.  17%-29% developed ARDS and 10% developed a secondary infection.  ¼ of the patients required ventilator support and a small percentage required ECMO support
• There has been a 11%-15% mortality which has been only those patients who develop pneumonia, there have been 0 deaths of patients who did not require hospitalization.  
• Presenting labs in 1/3 of admitted patients have shown leukopenia, leukocytosis, lymphopenia and/or elevated AST, ALT
• The 2 resp panels in the US detect the 4 known human coronavirus’s but there is no cross detection for nCov
• X-rays in the hospitalized patient has shown bilateral pneumonia with unilateral abnormality and ground glass opacity
• Those with advanced age, immunocompromised, chronic medical conditions have been shown to be the ones at higher risk for severe illness
• While no pregnant women have been confirmed it is hypothesized that pregnancy is a risk factor for severe illness potential
• Clinical deterioration is being seen in the 2^nd week of illness with lung auscultation suggestive of pneumonia confirmed by x-ray and hypoxia
• Viral shedding at this point is unknown
• Viral RNA was detected in blood and in the U.S case was detected in stool
• Detection of viral RNA does not mean infection with the virus its significance is unknown at this time
• The key is to identify and isolate
• Airborne+Contact+Standard+Eye with a mask on the patient
• Supportive care of any complications (pneumonia)-follow guidelines for CAP
• There is no treatment or antiviral for the virus
• Avoid corticosteroids and administer only if for other reason such as COPD or critically ill with refractory septic shock per guidelines….why…because they prolong viral replication in resp tract making disease more severe
• PPE should be the overall framework of a healthcare system, it should be everyday business for all respiratory illness or other exposure potential cases
• Masking the patient who arrives with respiratory symptoms is essential and must be everyday business
• Respirators/N95 are effective for nCov
• As with all PPE doffing avoid self-contamination
• Process of PPE, masking of patient, travel hx applies to EMS as well CDC is in process of developing tools however a suspected patient should be masked, with advance notification to receiving facility that a positive contact patient is en route, EMS personnel in the compartments should be with airborne, contact and eye protection
• Cultures on a suspected patient should not be done in hospital labs, collect samples as per CDC guidance and hold pending State recommendations…protect integrity of samples as directed on CDC guidance
• Possibility of co-infection (flu and nCov)

Patients treatment plan (home or stay) once they present to emergency room is determined by the local health department if condition permits a choice

 

These were just the notes I took from the call today so I hope they are helpful to keep everyone updated.   The main point that I took away is be sure you have PPE available at ready access and ease of access in your area at all times not just when something is causing heightened awareness.   PPE is essential to protect yourself and others as well as signage on entrance to rooms to ensure communication to others.  Be sure you know how to doff your PPE without risk of contaminating yourself, this is covered in orientation and yearly when you are fit tested and should be covered and reviewed by your director please do not hesitate to ask if you have questions or would like to be observed doffing PPE.  Have a good weekend everyone, let me know if there are questions and please share this within the organization who may benefit from the notes.   

 

 

+++PPE = personal protection equipment

 

 

Edited February 5, 2020 by mommato3boys
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[Littlesister]

WE2, you are so right about colder weather and snow.  If cold enough it will kill off bugs and viruses. At least that is what I have heard. The viruses need that warmer air to survive. It has yet to get cold here long enough to do that. And no snow in sight. Though we are about to get a massive thunderstorm rolling in this evening and even worse tomorrow. Possible straight line winds gust as high as 60 miles per hour and hard rain. Possible tornado maybe. 

 

This just in from USA Alerts,  Multi planeloads of travelers from Wuhan will arrive this week at Travis AFB CA,  Marine Air Stn. Miramar CA, Lackland AFB TX, and Eppley Airfield NE.  It should be on the news sometime today if not already.  This is not good.

Also I heard yesterday that Sentara hosp. in my area is in larging  the ER there and getting ready for a Corina virus pandemic. 

These are not good signs. I need to be able also to figure out how to send something from my e-mail to here. I have been receiving good info but can't get it to here. 

[Ambergris]

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/did-chinas-tencent-accidentally-leak-true-terrifying-coronavirus-statistics?

But the biggest hit to the narrative and China's officially reported epidemic numbers came overnight, when a slip up in China's TenCent may have revealed the true extent of the coronavirus epidemic on the mainland. And it is nothing short than terrifying.

As the Taiwan Times reports, over the weekend, "Tencent seems to have inadvertently released what is potentially the actual number of infections and deaths, which were astronomically higher than official figures", and were far closer to the catastrophic epidemic projections made by Jonathan Read.

According to the report, late on Saturday evening, Tencent, on its webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker", showed confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure.

And while the number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official number that day of 300, most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that day.

Tencent screengrab as of late Feb 1, showing far higher infections.

Moments later, Tencent updated the numbers to reflect the government's "official" numbers that day.

Screengrab showing higher numbers (left), chart showing "official" numbers (right). (Internet image)

This was not the first time Tencent has done this: as Taiwan Times notes, Chinese netizens have noticed that Tencent has on at least three occasions posted extremely high numbers, only to quickly lower them to government-approved statistics.

This is where it gets even more bizarre: contrary to claiming that this was just a "fat finger" mistyping of data, observant Chinese netizens also noticed that each time the screen with the large numbers appears, it shows a comparison with the previous day's data which demonstrates a "reasonable" incremental increase, much like comparisons of official numbers.

This led many in the mainland to speculate that Tencent has two sets of data, the real data and "processed" data.

In short, two camps have emerged: one, the more optimistic, speculates that a coding problem could be causing the real "internal" data to accidentally appear. The other, far more pessimistically inclined, believes that someone behind the scenes is trying to leak the real numbers, as "the "internal" data held by Beijing may not reflect the true extent of the epidemic."

Indeed, as repeatedly pointed out here and according to multiple sources in Wuhan, many coronavirus patients are unable to receive treatment and die outside of hospitals. Furthermore, a severe shortage of test kits also leads to a lower number of diagnosed cases of infection and death. In addition, there have been many reports of doctors being ordered to list other forms of death instead of coronavirus to keep the death toll artificially low.

What is the truth?

We leave it up to readers, but keep this in mind: on Jan 29, Zeng Guang, the chief scientist of epidemiology at China’s CDC, made a rare candid admission about why Chinese officials cannot tell people the truth in an interview with the state-run tabloid Global Times: "The officials need to think about the political angle and social stability in order to keep their positions."

And then, on Monday, none other than China Xi's called on all officials to quickly work together to contain the Coronavirus at a rare meeting of top leaders, saying the outcome would "directly impact social stability in the country."

Well, if China is mostly concerned about social stability - as it should be for a nation of 1.4 billion - it is easy to comprehend why the entire political apparatus in China would be geared to presenting numbers which seem somewhat credible - in light of the barrage of videos of people dying on the street - but not so terrifying as to cause a countrywide panic.

Then again, if China indeed had over 154,000 cases and almost 25,000 deaths as of 5 days ago, then no attempts to mask the full extent and true severity of the pandemic have any hope of "containing" the truth.

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[Littlesister]

USA Alerts states Wisconsin Department of Health reports confirmed case of the nCoV  which is now the 12th case in the US. So we now have 12 confirmed cases in the US as of today.

[Dee]

I heard on the local news tonight that they're checking 2 people here in Iowa for the virus.  

[Littlesister]

Found out there are a lot of cases of this virus in Japan. So not going to funeral home on Friday.  Went on line and signed the guest book. Not going to take that chance. He has family in Tokyo and a few other places and I am not sure which areas has the virus. Hoping they are not carrying it as if they are and don't know it. We will be in trouble here on my end of VA.