Cowgirl Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ambergris said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-officials-redistribute-protective-gear-185501065.html Private property being seized. A 700% markup is seven times the old rate. So? Anti-price gouging law in practice. Your prepper stash is likely safe unless it involves 200k N95 respirator masks and you try to sell them to doctors at a huge markup. Price gouging during a declared state of emergency is a criminal offense. Edited April 2, 2020 by Cowgirl Typo Link to comment
Daylily Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Dr. Brownstein's vitamin protocol. He says the nebulizer protocol is coming another post. https://www.drbrownstein.com/coronavirus-vii:-we-are-ready-and-you-can-be-ready-too!-2/?cat_id=968 1 2 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) This article addresses the aerosol issue and the mask issue. I've been reading it off and on all day. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-pandemic-airborne-go-outside-masks/609235/ I've got opinions on doctors claiming NO ONE WEARS THEM PROPERLY.... Yeah, like it's rocket science. Having said that, my dad tried for a half hour this morning to put on a dust mask [would reduce by a much smaller percentage than a "real" mask] but due to dementia, he was not successful. Still, 3 years ago he'd have been able to do so correctly in a minute or two. I truly doubt many folks impaired by dementia can be factored into the opinion that NO ONE wears them properly. So far, I've never seen ANYONE wearing one on their elbow, for instance. Or a kneecap. I will admit freely that most people do not know the difference between N95 applications and surgical mask applications. --N95 protects the person wearing AND others.......EXCEPT IF IT HAS AN EXHALATION VALVE. With that valve, an N95 ONLY protects the wearer. --Surgical masks protect others from the one wearing the mask. It moderately protects the one wearing the mask. Also remember that none of these masks will protect from poisonous gases like carbon monoxide or sarin. These are PARTICULATE protection masks. Another point to remember is that ...unless you are in a high viral concentration area like the medical folks, we don't usually consider our air to be completely toxic. How many of those dratted microbes would we need to inhale to become infected? THAT ....might be an answer like: Do you feel lucky? In the National Forest, no mask. In grocery, MASK! My opinion. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Sample Quote =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- In February, scientists in Wuhan, China—where the coronavirus outbreak originated—sampled the air in various public areas, and showed that the virus was either undetectable or found in extremely low concentrations. The only exceptions were two crowded sites, one in front of a department store and another next to a hospital. Even then, each cubic meter of air contained fewer than a dozen virus particles. (No one knows the infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2—that is, the number of particles needed to start an infection—but for the original SARS virus of 2003, one study estimated somewhere between 43 and 280.) //SNIP// In the meantime, citizens (and, unfortunately, many health-care workers) will have to make do with MacGyvering their own alternatives. A few studies suggest that homemade cloth masks are less effective than proper medical ones, but are still better than nothing. In one experiment, a surgical mask filtered 89 percent of viral particles from the air, a tea towel blocked 72 percent, and a cotton T-shirt blocked 50 percent.* In general, thicker materials are better than thinner ones, Marr said, and a tight fit across the face is important. If people use makeshift masks, they should thoroughly wash them afterward. And most of all, they should remember that homemade masks are not fully protective. They’re a last-ditch measure to be used in situations when social distancing isn’t possible. “It’s not like ‘I’m wearing [a mask] and now I can talk to everyone,’” Bourouiba said. =-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=End Quote-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- MtRider .... long but interesting article. Edited April 3, 2020 by Mt_Rider 2 1 Link to comment
Cowgirl Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Thanks Daylily! Due to my asthma (and age) I am high risk for complications if I catch this virus. The nebulizer sounds like a good idea for me, which is why I was asking. Link to comment
Daylily Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Cowgirl, you are welcome! I haven't seen this yet. Someone sent me the link. https://www.drbrownstein.com/there-is-still-hope-out-there-v:-more-about-nebulizing/#comments 1 1 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 244,678 US 115,242 Italy 112,065 Spain 84,794 Germany 59,929 France 50,468 Iran 34,173 United Kingdom 18,827 Switzerland 18,135 Turkey 15,348 Belgium 14,788 Netherlands 11,284 Canada 11,129 Austria 9,976 Korea, South 9,034 Portugal 8,044 Brazil 6,857 Israel 5,568 Sweden 5,147 Norway 5,116 Australia 3,858 Czechia 3,849 Ireland 3,573 Denmark 3,548 Russia 3,404 Chile 3,163 Ecuador 3,116 Malaysia 2,946 Poland 2,738 Romania 2,633 Philippines 2,543 India 2,495 Japan 2,487 Luxembourg 2,421 Pakistan 1,885 Saudi Arabia 1,875 Thailand 1,790 Indonesia 1,544 Greece 1,518 Finland 1,475 Panama 1,462 South Africa 1,414 Peru 1,380 Dominican Republic 1,378 Mexico 1,319 Iceland 1,265 Argentina 1,171 Serbia 1,161 Colombia 1,024 United Arab Emirates 1,011 Croatia 986 Algeria 949 Qatar 897 Slovenia 897 Ukraine 865 Egypt 858 Estonia 797 New Zealand 772 Iraq 712 Diamond Princess 708 Morocco 663 Armenia 649 Lithuania 643 Bahrain 585 Hungary 533 Bosnia and Herzegovina 505 Moldova 494 Lebanon 458 Latvia 457 Bulgaria 455 Tunisia 435 Kazakhstan 428 Andorra 426 Slovakia 400 Azerbaijan 396 Costa Rica 384 North Macedonia 356 Cyprus 350 Uruguay 342 Kuwait 339 Taiwan* 306 Cameroon 304 Belarus 299 Jordan 288 Burkina Faso 277 Albania 273 Afghanistan 245 San Marino 233 Cuba 233 Vietnam 231 Oman 219 Honduras 205 Uzbekistan 204 Ghana 196 Malta 195 Senegal 194 Cote d'Ivoire 184 Nigeria 169 Mauritius 161 West Bank and Gaza 151 Sri Lanka 146 Venezuela 144 Montenegro 134 Congo (Kinshasa) 134 Georgia 133 Brunei 125 Kosovo 123 Bolivia 116 Kyrgyzstan 110 Cambodia 110 Kenya 98 Niger 94 Trinidad and Tobago 84 Rwanda 77 Paraguay 75 Liechtenstein 60 Monaco 59 Madagascar 56 Bangladesh 52 Guinea 47 Guatemala 47 Jamaica 46 Barbados 45 Uganda 41 El Salvador 40 Djibouti 39 Togo 39 Zambia 36 Mali 29 Ethiopia 24 Bahamas 22 Congo (Brazzaville) 22 Eritrea 21 Gabon 20 Burma 20 Tanzania 19 Guyana 19 Maldives 16 Haiti 16 Syria 15 Equatorial Guinea 14 Mongolia 14 Namibia 13 Benin 13 Saint Lucia 12 Dominica 11 Libya 10 Grenada 10 Laos 10 Mozambique 10 Seychelles 10 Suriname 9 Antigua and Barbuda 9 Eswatini 9 Guinea-Bissau 9 MS Zaandam 9 Saint Kitts and Nevis 9 Zimbabwe 8 Angola 8 Chad 8 Sudan 7 Fiji 7 Holy See 6 Cabo Verde 6 Liberia 6 Mauritania 6 Nepal 5 Bhutan 5 Nicaragua 5 Somalia 4 Botswana 4 Gambia 3 Belize 3 Burundi 3 Central African Republic 3 Malawi 2 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 2 Sierra Leone 1 Papua New Guinea 1 Timor-Leste 5911 US deaths 8:45 p.m. Eastern update, April 2 1 Link to comment
Vic303 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 MtR, I've seen tons of people wearing masks incorrectly...Apart from the ones who seen to think they're to be worn like a necklace, it's most common that I see them worn over the mouth, but NOT the nose! 1 1 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Hey Vic!!! Yeah, I do know that. It just bugs me when the aloof, superior medical folks keep saying NO ONE wears them correctly. What have you and your monkeys been up to? Sheeesh, they must be grown by now? We have GrS 16 and 14 already. Can't believe it. MtRider Link to comment
Daylily Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I got the name of the iodine wrong that we are using. It's called Liquid Iodine Forte. 1 drop contains 150 mcg of iodine as potassium iodide. The liquid vitamin D is Bio-D-Mulsion Forte. ONe drop contains 2000 iu of vitamin D as cholecalciferol in a sesame oil carrier, 2 2 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 17 hours ago, Vic303 said: MtR, I've seen tons of people wearing masks incorrectly...Apart from the ones who seen to think they're to be worn like a necklace, it's most common that I see them worn over the mouth, but NOT the nose! Hey, Vic! Link to comment
Cowgirl Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 We are up to 5 confirmed cases in my county now. This one is a person in their 70's, hospitalized. This is a rural county with mostly farmland and small towns and one small city. My stock of masks is way too small. I will be making masks. 2 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Cowgirl said: I will be making masks. Get out your sewing machines everyone........ And HANG ON. The ship is fixin' to make a SEVERE ABOUT-FACE!! https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/02/coronavirus-facemasks-policyreversal/ https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-city-fine-people-who-dont-cover-faces-outside-coronavirus I kept saying that they were LYING DIRTY DOGS! They were scared of the massive shortage and honestly NEEDED the PPE [personal protective equipment] for the front line medical and First Responders. I fully support that. But to LIE AND LIE AND LIE AND ACCUSE others when they were LYING....is despicable. NOW that they have so many "Do It Yourself" masks .....that will at minimum, keep your spit from flying while coughing/sneezing/singing...[that poor choir in Washington state] ........ MtRider taking deep breath. I do SO hate lying! Anyway....just a heads up about the Course Reversal so GET PREPARED ....cuz it's not only Loredo, TX [2nd link] tho they have curfews and FINES for not covering your mouth/nose. yikes? ...NOW we're ALLOWED MANDATED to wear our masks? Pffft! And do please friends, spread the word about the difference between the fabric in N95s and whatever one chooses for homemade. MtRider ....needs a nap Edited April 3, 2020 by Mt_Rider accidentally hit save... 3 Link to comment
TheCG Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I think I'll be running by Hobby Lobby after work and seeing if they have any elastic left. And appropriate cloth. 1 Link to comment
Mother Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 We have an ex-nurse sewing masks for the small local hospital near us. She is using interfacing material encased between layers of cotton. Not sure if that works better than just plain cotton but these are washable yet hold their shape and filtering ability. 4 Link to comment
Littlesister Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Was watching a video on making mask in different ways. They were showing one where you make a pocket and using a Filtrete 1900 MERVB 13 air conditioner filter. You must use the good ones for this because of the type of material it's made of. Not one that is fiberglass. You take the filter apart and carefully remove the wire. Then cut the material to fit in the pocket of the home made mask. You can get several out of one filter. 1 1 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Some friends of mine are making them out of Hoover bags for work. The exhalation flap is an issue. Works pretty well, but is not part of the hospital-approved home-made mask. 3 Link to comment
Littlesister Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Ambergris, that should work as long as it is not to thick to be able to breath. Not sure how you would work out the exhalation flap though. I don't really think any home made mask would meet OSHA's requirements. But in times like these we do with what we have. And hope it works. Though I think some of these home made mask will work. They even say coffee filters will work. But need to use 2 together for the thickness to be right. I still have 2 of the air-condition filters from the old air conditioner and are now wrong size. So going to use those. I am going to make the ones with a pocket to slip the filter in so I can throw the filter away as it will be a one use item and can wash the mask and use with a new piece of the filter. 3 Link to comment
Cowgirl Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Mt_Rider, this country is run by Lying Liars That Lie. This isn’t the first time. But it’s freaking IMPORTANT. 2 1 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 277,828 US 119,827 Italy 119,199 Spain 91,159 Germany 65,202 France 53,183 Iran 38,690 United Kingdom 20,921 Turkey 19,606 Switzerland 16,770 Belgium 15,821 Netherlands 12,545 Canada 11,524 Austria 10,062 Korea, South 9,886 Portugal 9,194 Brazil 7,428 Israel 6,131 Sweden 5,370 Norway 5,330 Australia 4,273 Ireland 4,190 Czechia 4,149 Russia 3,946 Denmark 3,737 Chile 3,383 Poland 3,368 Ecuador 3,333 Malaysia 3,183 Romania 3,018 Philippines 2,686 Pakistan 2,617 Japan 2,612 Luxembourg 2,567 India 2,039 Saudi Arabia 1,986 Indonesia 1,978 Thailand 1,673 Panama 1,615 Finland 1,613 Greece 1,595 Peru 1,510 Mexico 1,505 South Africa 1,488 Dominican Republic 1,476 Serbia 1,364 Iceland 1,353 Argentina 1,267 Colombia 1,264 United Arab Emirates 1,171 Algeria 1,079 Croatia 1,075 Qatar 1,072 Ukraine 985 Egypt 961 Estonia 934 Slovenia 868 New Zealand 820 Iraq 791 Morocco 736 Armenia 712 Diamond Princess 696 Lithuania 672 Bahrain 623 Hungary 591 Moldova 579 Bosnia and Herzegovina 509 Cameroon 508 Lebanon 495 Tunisia 493 Latvia 485 Bulgaria 464 Kazakhstan 450 Slovakia 443 Azerbaijan 439 Andorra 430 North Macedonia 417 Kuwait 416 Costa Rica 396 Cyprus 386 Uruguay 351 Belarus 310 Jordan 304 Albania 302 Burkina Faso 281 Afghanistan 269 Cuba 252 Oman 251 San Marino 239 Vietnam 227 Uzbekistan 222 Honduras 218 Cote d'Ivoire 210 Nigeria 207 Senegal 205 Ghana 202 Malta 194 West Bank and Gaza 186 Mauritius 174 Montenegro 159 Sri Lanka 155 Georgia 153 Venezuela 148 Congo (Kinshasa) 134 Brunei 132 Bolivia 130 Kyrgyzstan 126 Kosovo 122 Kenya 120 Niger 114 Cambodia 98 Trinidad and Tobago 92 Paraguay 89 Rwanda 75 Liechtenstein 73 Guinea 70 Madagascar 64 Monaco 61 Bangladesh 53 Jamaica 51 Barbados 50 Guatemala 49 Djibouti 48 Uganda 46 El Salvador 40 Togo 39 Mali 39 Zambia 35 Ethiopia 24 Bahamas 23 Guyana 22 Congo (Brazzaville) 22 Eritrea 21 Gabon 20 Burma 20 Tanzania 19 Maldives 18 Haiti 17 Libya 16 Benin 16 Equatorial Guinea 16 Syria 15 Antigua and Barbuda 15 Guinea-Bissau 14 Dominica 14 Mongolia 14 Namibia 13 Saint Lucia 12 Grenada 10 Laos 10 Mozambique 10 Seychelles 10 Sudan 10 Suriname 9 Eswatini 9 MS Zaandam 9 Saint Kitts and Nevis 9 Zimbabwe 8 Angola 8 Central African Republic 8 Chad 7 Fiji 7 Holy See 7 Liberia 7 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 7 Somalia 6 Cabo Verde 6 Mauritania 6 Nepal 5 Bhutan 5 Nicaragua 4 Belize 4 Botswana 4 Gambia 3 Burundi 3 Malawi 2 Sierra Leone 1 Papua New Guinea 1 Timor-Leste 103,060 of the US confirrmed cases are in New York state. Nearly 30,000 more are in New Jersey. Other than that, you probably know where your state stands. 7141 US dead are attributed to COVID - 19 Update of April 3, 9 p.m. Eastern 2 Link to comment
TheCG Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mother said: We have an ex-nurse sewing masks for the small local hospital near us. She is using interfacing material encased between layers of cotton. Not sure if that works better than just plain cotton but these are washable yet hold their shape and filtering ability. Mom said that the ones they're making for EMS have the interfacing in them as well. 1 Link to comment
TheCG Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 6:16 PM, Daylily said: Dr. Brownstein's vitamin protocol. He says the nebulizer protocol is coming another post. https://www.drbrownstein.com/coronavirus-vii:-we-are-ready-and-you-can-be-ready-too!-2/?cat_id=968 Nebulizer: https://www.drbrownstein.com/there-is-still-hope-out-there-v:-more-about-nebulizing/?cat_id=32 2 Link to comment
Jeepers Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I just read where the U.S. Postal Service could shut down by June because of the Caronavirus. That is unless the government bales them out. There goes the cost of shipping and stamps again. I also read where Celine Dion has the virus. And Placido Domingo. I've always enjoyed watching him perform in operas on PBS. Especially Carmen and La Boheme. I have a CD of him singing love songs in English. It's done mostly phonetically, I think, but it's beautiful. Sigh. 4 Link to comment
The WE2's Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 We have a box of 10 of the cheapy masks that we bought a few years ago at $Tree. We'll just hang on to them in case. But, it I was to make one or more, I'd probably start by using some of hubby's good t-shirts, some cheese cloth, some gauze pads and some of the panty liner material. Just thinkin'... 5 Link to comment
TheCG Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3563092 Talking about possibly using povidone iodine to reduce transmission. 1 2 Link to comment
Cowgirl Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 13 hours ago, TheCG said: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3563092 Talking about possibly using povidone iodine to reduce transmission. Thank you for the link. Sending to our healthcare and first responder family members! 1 Link to comment
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