Littlesister Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 WE2, I watched on TV the other day a doctor was showing taken a pad with the wings and putting it over face and the wings had the sticky stuff and he covered his nose and chin with the wings. I was laughing but after he fitted it on, it didn't look like a sanitary pad. I found some material that would work for mask, I ordered the elastic and the metal nose pieces but won't get them till May. I ordered it anyway but still looking. Jo Ann Fabric for us is a long way out about a one hour drive from us each way. I can order on line and then go do the drive by there to pick up as they have no on line orders. But they were out of the elastic also. I am going to see if I can find what I need to get some made. But don't think it will be very easy to find any. I guess people jumped on the band wagon before they said we must wear mask now. 1 1 Link to comment
TheCG Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Hobby Lobby said they'd been out of elastic and binding for weeks already. Link to comment
Cowgirl Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I like to craft, so fortunately I have a stash of supplies. I have been rummaging through my stash. I don't have exactly what I would LIKE, which is tightly woven cotton. I do have some elastic. I also have elastic hairbands, some old tights which can be cut into stretchy strips... lots of possibilities here. Now I am eyeing my stash of old sheets. They were meant for crisis bandages. But maybe..... 2 Link to comment
Midnightmom Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 4/1/2020 at 4:23 PM, dogmom4 said: papers for what? To get back into Florida? Several states are saying if you don't live here, don't come here. Or, if you are already here but don't "belong" here (non-resident), GO HOME. Seems lots of peeps are still intending on going to beaches and having their Easter holiday/vacation trips despite all of the warnings. 2 1 3 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 311,544 US 126,168 Spain 124,632 Italy 96,092 Germany 90,848 France 82,558 China 55,743 Iran 42,479 United Kingdom 23,934 Turkey 20,505 Switzerland 18,431 Belgium 16,727 Netherlands 13,999 Canada 11,781 Austria 10,524 Portugal 10,360 Brazil 10,237 Korea, South 7,851 Israel 6,443 Sweden 5,550 Australia 5,550 Norway 4,731 Russia 4,604 Ireland 4,472 Czechia 4,269 Denmark 4,161 Chile 3,627 Poland 3,613 Romania 3,588 India 3,483 Malaysia 3,465 Ecuador 3,139 Japan 3,094 Philippines 2,818 Pakistan 2,729 Luxembourg 2,179 Saudi Arabia 2,092 Indonesia 2,067 Thailand 1,890 Mexico 1,882 Finland 1,801 Panama 1,746 Peru 1,673 Greece 1,624 Serbia 1,585 South Africa 1,578 Dominican Republic 1,505 United Arab Emirates 1,451 Argentina 1,417 Iceland 1,406 Colombia 1,325 Qatar 1,251 Algeria 1,225 Ukraine 1,189 Singapore 1,126 Croatia 1,070 Egypt 1,039 Estonia 1,039 New Zealand 977 Slovenia 919 Morocco 878 Iraq 771 Lithuania 770 Armenia 752 Moldova 712 Diamond Princess 688 Bahrain 678 Hungary 624 Bosnia and Herzegovina 555 Cameroon 553 Tunisia 531 Kazakhstan 521 Azerbaijan 520 Lebanon 509 Latvia 503 Bulgaria 483 North Macedonia 479 Kuwait 471 Slovakia 466 Andorra 440 Belarus 435 Costa Rica 426 Cyprus 400 Uruguay 355 Taiwan* 333 Albania 323 Jordan 318 Burkina Faso 299 Afghanistan 288 Cuba 277 Oman 266 Uzbekistan 264 Honduras 259 San Marino 245 Cote d'Ivoire 240 Vietnam 219 Senegal 217 West Bank and Gaza 214 Nigeria 213 Malta 205 Ghana 201 Montenegro 196 Mauritius 166 Sri Lanka 162 Georgia 155 Venezuela 154 Congo (Kinshasa) 144 Kyrgyzstan 144 Niger 139 Bolivia 135 Brunei 135 Kosovo 126 Kenya 114 Cambodia 111 Guinea 103 Trinidad and Tobago 102 Rwanda 96 Paraguay 77 Liechtenstein 70 Bangladesh 70 Madagascar 66 Monaco 61 Guatemala 56 El Salvador 55 Jamaica 52 Barbados 50 Djibouti 48 Uganda 41 Mali 41 Togo 39 Zambia 38 Ethiopia 29 Eritrea 28 Bahamas 24 Guyana 22 Congo (Brazzaville) 21 Burma 21 Gabon 20 Haiti 20 Tanzania 19 Maldives 18 Guinea-Bissau 18 Libya 16 Benin 16 Equatorial Guinea 16 Syria 15 Antigua and Barbuda 14 Dominica 14 Mongolia 14 Namibia 14 Saint Lucia 12 Fiji 12 Grenada 10 Angola 10 Laos 10 Liberia 10 Mozambique 10 Seychelles 10 Sudan 10 Suriname 9 Chad 9 Eswatini 9 MS Zaandam 9 Nepal 9 Saint Kitts and Nevis 9 Zimbabwe 8 Central African Republic 7 Cabo Verde 7 Holy See 7 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 7 Somalia 6 Mauritania 5 Bhutan 5 Nicaragua 4 Belize 4 Botswana 4 Gambia 4 Malawi 4 Sierra Leone 3 Burundi 1 Papua New Guinea 1 Timor-Leste US deaths attributed to COVID: 8488 April 4 update, 10 p.m. Eastern 1 3 Link to comment
Midnightmom Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 1:42 PM, Cowgirl said: That video was interesting. But I wish it was more specific on amounts recommended, or maybe included a link to their recommended protocol. I did some Googling but haven’t come up with it yet. How much Vit. D, A, C? What formula for the nebulizer treatment? Interesting, for sure. But we need more info to put it into practice. Found his website: https://www.drbrownstein.com/ 3 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, TheCG said: they'd been out of elastic So.....do you have any undies that could be retired? Elastic is in a lot of old clothes. I always cut the elastic out to save... "Packrat with a Purpose" y'know. How about some elastic gift wrap ribbon? I have tons of sizes of rubber bands. Might catch in hair if not covered. Or switch to a Velcro closure....adjustable. Nose piece: bread twisty the type of wire that bends easy - a bright silver type but I don't know what kind.... If you retire a real surgical mask or N95....save the nose piece... There have to be more alternatives....??? ....DH went to gas station store for milk. [with me not drinking it right now, it got globby too soon] He wore a surgical mask and said about half the people had face covering. MtRider Edited April 5, 2020 by Mt_Rider 2 Link to comment
Midnightmom Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Ambergris said: Some friends of mine are making them out of Hoover bags for work. The exhalation flap is an issue. Works pretty well, but is not part of the hospital-approved home-made mask. Here's a snip from 6:45 of the video.... Edited April 5, 2020 by Midnightmom 2 2 Link to comment
TheCG Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Y'know, I'm seeing a distinct lack of differentiation between people who were already prepped and people who go clear out all the shelves. A friend of mine posted this on Facebook. it's part of a grocery store manager's rant, supposed, about being nice to the grocery store workers. I'm wondering if she actually read the whole thing, 'cause I'm pretty certain her family is one that preps. Definitely part of why you don't tell people what you have available. Quote If the store you go to is out of an item.. maybe find the neighbor or friend that bought enough for a year ... there are hundreds of them... and ask them to spare 1 or 2. They caused the problem to begin with... 6 Link to comment
TheCG Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Mt_Rider said: So.....do you have any undies that could be retired? Elastic is in a lot of old clothes. I always cut the elastic out to save... "Packrat with a Purpose" y'know. How about some elastic gift wrap ribbon? I have tons of sizes of rubber bands. Might catch in hair if not covered. Or switch to a Velcro closure....adjustable. Nose piece: bread twisty the type of wire that bends easy - a bright silver type but I don't know what kind.... If you retire a real surgical mask or N95....save the nose piece... There have to be more alternatives....??? ....DH went to gas station store for milk. [with me not drinking it right now, it got globby too soon] He wore a surgical mask and said about half the people had face covering. MtRider Some friends of mine have said that the tie ones are getting much more popular with the nurses, as there are issues with the elastic failing after being washed on high heat too many times. 4 Link to comment
kappydell Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) https://www.wired.com/story/surveillance-save-lives-amid-public-health-crisis/ the problem is not so much the surveillance per se.....to me anyways, I'm boring..........but in what the powers that be choose to DO with the information. We all KNOW how hard (impossible) it is for those bean counting bureaucratic control freaks to resist using it to advance their own personal vision on everybody else.....after all they do not want to waste all that perfectly good data any more than they want to waste a perfectly good crisis the unscrupulous will use ANYTHING to advance their desires. Edited April 5, 2020 by kappydell 3 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 6 hours ago, TheCG said: elastic failing after being washed on high heat too many times. Yeah, for industrial purposes... But I'd think the tied ones would slide. I can't ever keep scrubs-type pants up with those ribbon ties. Perhaps elastic ties would be a happy middle between the two problems. [and I wish I could find/make elastic ties for my pants!] For At-Home purpose, I never wash on high heat....nor do I put anything with elastic in the dryer. I have outdoor clothesline and inside places to hang for drying. At our altitude, the sunshine UV is a potent sterilizer. If I leave the newspaper out on the clothesline, it only takes a couple days for the print to begin to fade. MtRider 2 Link to comment
euphrasyne Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Ties like ear loops and buttons sewn to hats to loop them around. If you can go to the extra effort, you can do either buttons on the masks or on the hat and put button holes on the other. 2 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) Yeah, Kappy. I saw an article that stated how many thousands of Chinese cell phone accounts were shut down during the beginning month(s) of this pandemic. Assuming that those folks died....meaning the numbers reported are waaaay under estimated. So data is already being used for the purpose of gathering data .....on a foreign country. =-==-=-==-QUOTE=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=- “What's really important is for the government to be really clear in articulating what specific public health goals it's seeking to accomplish,” said Kelsey Finch, senior counsel at the Future of Privacy Forum, an industry-backed group focused on tech policy. “And how it's limiting the collection of personal data to what's necessary to achieve those very specific goals, and then making sure that there are appropriate privacy safeguards put in place before data starts to change hands.” =-=-=-=-=END QUOTE=-=-=-=-=-=-= Yeah, well....good luck with that. =-=-=-=-=-=QUOTE-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=- The weapons detection company Athena Security claims its AI-enabled cameras can detect the coronavirus by spotting fevers. =-==--=-=-UNQUOTE=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Danger, Will Robinson! Danger! Danger! ......from the AIs and robots. All our sci-fi and dystopian fiction is becoming NON-fiction. ...but some is great like telemed conferencing. Like the Jetsons! Just replace the black electrical tape over the viewer on your laptop/phone when done. MtRider Edited April 5, 2020 by Mt_Rider 2 Link to comment
dogmom4 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 CG, that’s so scary. I’ve seen quite a few people who have run out of basics and are calling anyone that has the stuff they need hoarders. I find it really insulting that someone calls us hoarders because we made responsible choices...but I have stayed out of the conversations because I’m not putting a target on my head. 3 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, dogmom4 said: I find it really insulting that someone calls us hoarders because we made responsible choices...but I have stayed out of the conversations because I’m not putting a target on my head. Yeah, no kidding. In fact, find something to WHINE about..... "grey man" technique! Refer to the Industrial vs Home products explanation of the alleged shortages. https://www.mrssurvival.com/topic/55127-dumping-milk/?tab=comments#comment-465721 MtRider 1 1 Link to comment
Littlesister Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 The only reason I am having to help my granddaughter out is because they had to move 3000 miles away and was not able to prepare. Military. She had just gotten her food situation taken care of as I had sent her to big boxes of food right after they got into the house as they ran out to get food just to find the shelves empty. So what I sent was very helpful. They were caught off guard as the Navy was moving them and because it was 3000 miles away, she was unable to buy food at the time. Now her DH has the coronavirus and she has still not been able to buy bleach, Lysol, wipes or nothing. Her DH was able to get mask and gloves from the naval hosp. He was exposed to the virus at the naval hosp. on Monday and is now in full blow coronavirus. High temp. cough, congestion and hard to get a deep breath. Granddaughter is already heavy on Vits. mainly C and D3. I am sending her some supplies for cleaning. One of the reasons I ordered what I have very early on. As you cannot get Lysol or any things else on line or in stores where she is. Can't get it here either. So my reason for granddaughter needing help is not from her just not preparing but because they were not able to at the time of the moving. They moved into Washington State at the worse time possible. I can't call what I did hoarding but to help family. So far no neighbors has asked for anything but then no one knows what I have either. But like Dogmom said, they may call us hoarders but we are not the ones that emptied the shelves. We bought a little at a time and built on that each month for many months and years. And now it is paying off for my granddaughter as the ones in the stores panic buying now are the ones that are emptying the shelves. There is a big difference in preparing for the unknown and panic buying after the unknow has come into full view. 2 1 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 337,620 US 131,646 Spain 128,948 Italy 100,123 Germany 93,780 France 82,626 China 58,226 Iran 48,440 United Kingdom 27,069 Turkey 21,100 Switzerland 19,691 Belgium 17,953 Netherlands 15,871 Canada 12,051 Austria 11,281 Brazil 11,278 Portugal 10,284 Korea, South 8,430 Israel 6,830 Sweden 5,687 Australia 5,687 Norway 5,389 Russia 4,994 Ireland 4,587 Czechia 4,561 Denmark 4,471 Chile 4,288 India 4,102 Poland 3,864 Romania 3,662 Malaysia 3,654 Japan 3,646 Ecuador 3,246 Philippines 3,157 Pakistan 2,804 Luxembourg 2,402 Saudi Arabia 2,281 Peru 2,273 Indonesia 2,169 Thailand 2,143 Mexico 1,988 Panama 1,927 Finland 1,908 Serbia 1,799 United Arab Emirates 1,745 Dominican Republic 1,735 Greece 1,655 South Africa 1,604 Qatar 1,554 Argentina 1,486 Iceland 1,485 Colombia 1,320 Algeria 1,309 Singapore 1,308 Ukraine 1,182 Croatia 1,173 Egypt 1,106 New Zealand 1,097 Estonia 1,021 Morocco 997 Slovenia 961 Iraq 864 Moldova 822 Armenia 811 Lithuania 733 Hungary 712 Diamond Princess 700 Bahrain 654 Bosnia and Herzegovina 650 Cameroon 584 Azerbaijan 584 Kazakhstan 574 Tunisia 562 Belarus 556 Kuwait 555 North Macedonia 533 Latvia 531 Bulgaria 527 Lebanon 501 Andorra 485 Slovakia 454 Costa Rica 446 Cyprus 406 Uruguay 363 Taiwan* 361 Albania 349 Afghanistan 345 Burkina Faso 345 Jordan 342 Uzbekistan 320 Cuba 298 Honduras 298 Oman 266 San Marino 261 Cote d'Ivoire 241 Vietnam 237 West Bank and Gaza 232 Nigeria 227 Malta 227 Mauritius 222 Senegal 214 Ghana 214 Montenegro 184 Niger 183 Bolivia 176 Sri Lanka 174 Georgia 159 Venezuela 154 Congo (Kinshasa) 147 Kyrgyzstan 145 Kosovo 142 Kenya 135 Brunei 121 Guinea 114 Cambodia 113 Paraguay 105 Trinidad and Tobago 104 Rwanda 88 Bangladesh 77 Liechtenstein 73 Monaco 72 Madagascar 70 Guatemala 62 El Salvador 59 Djibouti 58 Jamaica 56 Barbados 52 Uganda 45 Congo (Brazzaville) 45 Mali 44 Togo 43 Ethiopia 39 Zambia 29 Bahamas 29 Eritrea 29 Guyana 22 Benin 22 Tanzania 21 Burma 21 Gabon 21 Haiti 19 Maldives 19 Syria 18 Guinea-Bissau 18 Libya 16 Equatorial Guinea 16 Namibia 15 Antigua and Barbuda 14 Angola 14 Dominica 14 Mongolia 14 Saint Lucia 13 Liberia 12 Fiji 12 Grenada 12 Sudan 11 Laos 10 Mozambique 10 Saint Kitts and Nevis 10 Seychelles 10 Suriname 9 Chad 9 Eswatini 9 MS Zaandam 9 Nepal 9 Zimbabwe 8 Central African Republic 7 Cabo Verde 7 Holy See 7 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 7 Somalia 6 Botswana 6 Mauritania 6 Nicaragua 6 Sierra Leone 5 Belize 5 Bhutan 4 Gambia 4 Malawi 4 Western Sahara 3 Burundi 1 Papua New Guinea 1 South Sudan 1 Timor-Leste 9643 US deaths attributed as of April 5, 9:30 p.m. Eastern update. 1 2 Link to comment
euphrasyne Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 My cousin-in-law's wife made this mask fastener. It is amazing. It is basically a strip that Velcros and catches the loops. I'm seriously inspired. 1 1 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Does anyone besides me think this is a MISINTERPRETATION of the CDC data? CDC says: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/resource-center/images/multi-language-pdfs/contamination_cleaning_english_508.pdf =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What kills flu viruses?Flu viruses are killed by heat above 167° F [75° C]. Common household cleaning products can also kill the flu virus, including products containing:• chlorine • hydrogen peroxide• detergents (soap) • iodophors (iodine-based antiseptics) • alcohols =-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=- The YAHOOS [not a compliment] at Yahoo News interprets like this: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/diy-face-mask-materials-best-180552062.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_15 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=- For washing any fabrics, clothing or masks that you wear when out in public, it is important to take precautions when washing them. Using CDC flu virus guidelines, clothing and reusable masks should be washed at a temperature of at least 167 degrees. That is the minimum temperature proven to kill the flu virus. Chlorine, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol, and detergent are all effective cleaning products. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-== [Red and Bold are mine] 1) Does ANYONE have their hot water set for 167* F ?????? Quoting Water Heater Hub: "Water heaters are factory set at OSHA recommended levels, around 140 degrees." 2) If you need water that hot, why do they say merely soap and water washing hands will be sufficient? I'm not washing my hands at those temperatures. 3) To be clear, the CDC is listing different methods for killing the virus....not that you have to use all of them at once. Scalding water OR soap OR ....... THIS is why too much of the public is confused and stupid. Cuz STUPID is working for the news media. What editor checks these articles????? For petes sake, hand wash the cloth masks with usual hot water and a soap or detergent. Dish soap works. This virus cell has a fatty outer covering .....therefore: soap breaks it down. So does scalding water, if you prefer. I believe UV light does too, but that's my OPINION. .... ........ ............. I know, I know....I seem to be always in a state of aggravation these days. I HATE misinformation that spawns ignorance! Folks are scared enough without being confused too. MtRider ......pass the word 4 Link to comment
Jeepers Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 I just read where Great Britain's P.M. is in intensive care. 3 Link to comment
Littlesister Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 There is no way to set the hot water tank that high. I checked mine and it only goes up to 140*. If I can't hang clothes outside on line I have sanitation button on my dryer and that gets really hot. Take the clothes out right after it cuts off and it will burn you. I have to let it cool down a bit before removing the clothes. My old dryer didn't have that feature. Boris the prime minister in now in ICU and got worse right after they put him in there. Don't think he has been incubated yet though. My granddaughter's DH is no better today and they still have not gotten the results of the test. Granddaughter told me today she is tired, a slight cough and a bit of congestion. Sounds like she also may be coming down with it and we are 3000 miles away and can't help her other than to send needed supplies. Sent the cleaning supplies today but will still be a few days before she gets them. Told her to take a bar of soap and a rag and soap up the rag and clean the door knobs and to wear gloves and then wash hands when she is done cleaning. That is about the only thing I can think of for her to clean with right now till her box comes. Needless to say my brain is fried, worrying about those two. And now they are talking about pets. A tiger from a zoo has tested positive and my granddaughter has 2 dogs and a cat. They said so far no dogs or cats have become sick or tested positive for this virus. 4 Link to comment
Daylily Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I wish somebody would tell them about the hydrotherapy treatments! The hospital has nothing that will cure the virus. The hydrotherapy is so simple and it really works. I wish everybody could know about it. Link to comment
Littlesister Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Daylily, I don't think I have ever heard that mentioned anywhere as a treatment. Very interesting to know. Will have to check into that. I know some nurses that works at one of the hospitals here. Maybe I should put a bug in their ears. Would be something worth checking into. Link to comment
Daylily Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Please check out all the links I''ve been posting. Hydrotherapy is mentioned quite a few times. It saved many lives in the Spanish flu in 1918. Link to comment
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