Ambergris Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 1,663 US 442 confirmed Washington 328 confirmed New York 221 confirmed California 108 confirmed Massachusetts 46 confirmed Diamond Princess US 45 confirmed Colorado 35 confirmed Florida 32 confirmed Illinois 31 confirmed Georgia US 29 confirmed New Jersey 27 confirmed Texas 24 confirmed Oregon 22 confirmed Pennsylvania 21 confirmed Grand Princess US 19 confirmed Louisiana 18 confirmed Tennessee 17 confirmed Virginia 16 confirmed Iowa 15 confirmed North Carolina 14 confirmed Nevada 13 confirmed Indiana 12 confirmed Maryland 12 confirmed South Carolina 10 confirmed District of Columbia 10 confirmed Kentucky 10 confirmed Nebraska 9 confirmed Arizona 9 confirmed Minnesota 8 confirmed South Dakota 8 confirmed Wisconsin 6 confirmed Arkansas 6 confirmed New Hampshire 5 confirmed Connecticut 5 confirmed New Mexico 5 confirmed Ohio 5 confirmed Rhode Island 5 confirmed Utah 2 confirmed Hawaii 2 confirmed Michigan 2 confirmed Oklahoma 2 confirmed Vermont 1 confirmed Delaware 1 confirmed Kansas 1 confirmed Mississippi 1 confirmed Missouri 1 confirmed Montana 1 confirmed North Dakota 1 confirmed Wyoming Same March 12, 7:45 p.m. update, just formatted differently 1 3 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 All the colleges in Florida have been told to reconvene online after spring break. Local governments are being told to find ways not to have events of 1000 people or more. Our Springtime Tallahassee and Chain of Parks have been postponed/cancelled. Disney World is closed. 1 1 Link to comment
The WE2's Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Watched a Glenn Beck video...pretty disheartening...he flately says "everybody's going to get it". We're being extra-extra careful. I am not leaving the house and hubby is only going to the work project for a customer and the wife is staying in their bedroom away from him. The husband is running parts/supplies and just taking them to the basement where hubby is working. Hubby did have to cash his check, make a deposit and then pick up some furnace filters. Wanted to make sure we had plenty since even if our window a/c was put back in the window here, we need the furnace fan to pull it through the cold air intake and into the rest of the house. Hopefully we'll be able to ride this out here and then move. The homestead has heat pump. Texted a friend on FB who's been a friend of ours for many, many years and lives in a somewhat isolated area but goes to a "mega" church-thing. I asked her if she was taking this thing seriously and she's beginning to see the writing on the wall. Too many people have focused on "The Apacolypse" and the 4 horsemen instead of what's right at their door now. I think we've got a bit of a bumpy ride ahead of us before the time comes to fulfillment...just my opinion. 4 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 City of Tallahassee Police DepartmentLike Page · #ScamAlert TPD is sharing this information to help prevent fraud associated with the Coronavirus (COVID-19). A malicious website pretending to be the live map for Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins University is circulating on the internet waiting for unwitting users to visit the website. Visiting the website infects the user with the AZORult trojan, an information stealing program which can exfiltrate a variety of sensitive data. It is likely being spread via infected email attachments, malicious online advertisements, and social engineering. Furthermore, anyone searching the internet for a Coronavirus map could unwittingly navigate to this malicious website. Exercise extreme caution when searching the internet and visiting websites to obtain Coronavirus COVID-19 information. The real John Hopkins page https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html For the most up to date information for Florida, visit www.floridahealth.gov. They are showing a picture of the map I've been referring to several times a day for some time. 2 1 Link to comment
The WE2's Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ambergris said: malicious website 1 Link to comment
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Mt_Rider Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 8 hours ago, snapshotmiki said: On 3/11/2020 at 6:05 PM, Mt_Rider said: Anyone know what that actually means? [Pandemic] Combines panic with epidemic? Daylily and others......I'm getting our CO data from the CO Dept of Public Health and Environment. All of your states should have some reporting like this too. It's now being updated several times a day [increased from M/W/F]. It tells which county they're in and if they were exposed by international travel, domestic travel like to WA or unknown. Obviously not data that would I.D. anyone personally. But knowing the county helps to plan WHEN to SIP. Watching that very closely. Still....might be too late if it happens that DH has come in contact with The Next Person to be confirmed with COVID. MtRider 2 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Disney World is closed? Well, good but......whoa! All the entertainment industries are being hit hard cuz.....they're OPTIONAL in time of crisis! DH and I are still fighting off some [minor?] bug. I had sore throat Tues nite but it cleared up quickly. Still, we've both felt slightly off in temperature. I'm at 97.9* Being low isn't too unusual for me but it can mean the body is fighting something. A bit of scratchy eyes. No nausea or anything. DH is sleeping LONG hours and feels a bit of scratchy throat this morning....almost noon when he got up. We're taking our usual arsenal of immune-boosters and increased Vit C and D a LOT. It's not getting worse in 2 days.....but not getting better either. The fight is still engaged, apparently. .......no breathing issues. No fever. None of the COVID symptoms so.....my working theory is: a plain, ole cold. Or it's attempting to be. Still......nobody tell my mother, okay? BTW.....DH brought home the mail. I dumped contents from envelopes and threw envelopes in trash. Washed hands. THEN looked at the mail. The local newspaper is hanging outside in the sunshine. Expecting snow AGAIN tomorrow so.... MtRider 2 Link to comment
dogmom4 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 This was at panel at University of California San Francisco. Very disheartening to read. If this is for real we are in for some major difficulties. Notes from UCSF Expert panel - March 10 Published on March 12, 2020 Dr. Jordan Shlain, M.D.Follow Like66 Comment5 Share0 University of California, San Francisco BioHub Panel on COVID-19 March 10, 2020 Panelists Joe DeRisi: UCSF’s top infectious disease researcher. Co-president of ChanZuckerberg BioHub (a JV involving UCSF / Berkeley / Stanford). Co-inventor of the chip used in SARS epidemic. Emily Crawford: COVID task force director. Focused on diagnostics Cristina Tato: Rapid Response Director. Immunologist. Patrick Ayescue: Leading outbreak response and surveillance. Epidemiologist. Chaz Langelier: UCSF Infectious Disease doc What’s below are essentially direct quotes from the panelists. I bracketed the few things that are not quotes. Top takeaways At this point, we are past containment. Containment is basically futile. Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number who get infected in the US. Now we’re just trying to slow the spread, to help healthcare providers deal with the demand peak. In other words, the goal of containment is to "flatten the curve", to lower the peak of the surge of demand that will hit healthcare providers. And to buy time, in hopes a drug can be developed. How many in the community already have the virus? No one knows. We are moving from containment to care. We in the US are currently where at where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different. 40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population. [We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.] The fatality rate is in the range of 10X flu. This assumes no drug is found effective and made available. The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. [See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.] Don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did I can only tell you two things definitively. Definitively it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And we'll be dealing with this for the next year at least. Our lives are going to look different for the next year. What should we do now? What are you doing for your family? Appears one can be infectious before being symptomatic. We don’t know how infectious before symptomatic, but know that highest level of virus prevalence coincides with symptoms. We currently think folks are infectious 2 days before through 14 days after onset of symptoms (T-2 to T+14 onset). How long does the virus last? On surfaces, best guess is 4-20 hours depending on surface type (maybe a few days) but still no consensus on this The virus is very susceptible to common anti-bacterial cleaning agents: bleach, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol-based. Avoid concerts, movies, crowded places. We have cancelled business travel. Do the basic hygiene, eg hand washing and avoiding touching face. Stockpile your critical prescription medications. Many pharma supply chains run through China. Pharma companies usually hold 2-3 months of raw materials, so may run out given the disruption in China’s manufacturing. Pneumonia shot might be helpful. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous. Get a flu shot next fall. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous. We would say “Anyone over 60 stay at home unless it’s critical”. CDC toyed with idea of saying anyone over 60 not travel on commercial airlines. We at UCSF are moving our “at-risk” parents back from nursing homes, etc. to their own homes. Then are not letting them out of the house. The other members of the family are washing hands the moment they come in. Three routes of infection Hand to mouth / face Aerosol transmission Fecal oral route What if someone is sick? If someone gets sick, have them stay home and socially isolate. There is very little you can do at a hospital that you couldn’t do at home. Most cases are mild. But if they are old or have lung or cardio-vascular problems, read on. If someone gets quite sick who is old (70+) or with lung or cardio-vascular problems, take them to the ER. There is no accepted treatment for COVID-19. The hospital will give supportive care (eg IV fluids, oxygen) to help you stay alive while your body fights the disease. ie to prevent sepsis. If someone gets sick who is high risk (eg is both old and has lung/cardio-vascular problems), you can try to get them enrolled for “compassionate use" of Remdesivir, a drug that is in clinical trial at San Francisco General and UCSF, and in China. Need to find a doc there in order to ask to enroll. Remdesivir is an anti-viral from Gilead that showed effectiveness against MERS in primates and is being tried against COVID-19. If the trials succeed it might be available for next winter as production scales up far faster for drugs than for vaccines. [More I found online.] Why is the fatality rate much higher for older adults? Your immune system declines past age 50 Fatality rate tracks closely with “co-morbidity”, ie the presence of other conditions that compromise the patient’s hearth, especially respiratory or cardio-vascular illness. These conditions are higher in older adults. Risk of pneumonia is higher in older adults. What about testing to know if someone has COVID-19? Bottom line, there is not enough testing capacity to be broadly useful. Here’s why. Currently, there is no way to determine what a person has other than a PCR test. No other test can yet distinguish "COVID-19 from flu or from the other dozen respiratory bugs that are circulating”. A Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test can detect COVID-19’s RNA. However they still don’t have confidence in the test’s specificity, ie they don’t know the rate of false negatives. The PCR test requires kits with reagents and requires clinical labs to process the kits. While the kits are becoming available, the lab capacity is not growing. The leading clinical lab firms, Quest and Labcore have capacity to process 1000 kits per day. For the nation. Expanding processing capacity takes “time, space, and equipment.” And certification. ie it won’t happen soon. UCSF and UCBerkeley have donated their research labs to process kits. But each has capacity to process only 20-40 kits per day. And are not clinically certified. Novel test methods are on the horizon, but not here now and won’t be at any scale to be useful for the present danger. How well is society preparing for the impact? Local hospitals are adding capacity as we speak. UCSF’s Parnassus campus has erected “triage tents” in a parking lot. They have converted a ward to “negative pressure” which is needed to contain the virus. They are considering re-opening the shuttered Mt Zion facility. If COVID-19 affected children then we would be seeing mass departures of families from cities. But thankfully now we know that kids are not affected. School closures are one the biggest societal impacts. We need to be thoughtful before we close schools, especially elementary schools because of the knock-on effects. If elementary kids are not in school then some hospital staff can’t come to work, which decreases hospital capacity at a time of surging demand for hospital services. Public Health systems are prepared to deal with short-term outbreaks that last for weeks, like an outbreak of meningitis. They do not have the capacity to sustain for outbreaks that last for months. Other solutions will have to be found. What will we do to handle behavior changes that can last for months? Many employees will need to make accommodations for elderly parents and those with underlying conditions and immune-suppressed. Kids home due to school closures [Dr. DeRisi had to leave the meeting for a call with the governor’s office. When he returned we asked what the call covered.] The epidemiological models the state is using to track and trigger action. The state is planning at what point they will take certain actions. ie what will trigger an order to cease any gatherings of over 1000 people. Where do you find reliable news? The John Hopkins Center for Health Security site. Which posts daily updates. The site says you can sign up to receive a daily newsletter on COVID-19 by email. [I tried and the page times out due to high demand. After three more tries I was successful in registering for the newsletter.] The New York Times is good on scientific accuracy. Observations on China Unlike during SARS, China’s scientists are publishing openly and accurately on COVID-19. While China’s early reports on incidence were clearly low, that seems to trace to their data management systems being overwhelmed, not to any bad intent. Wuhan has 4.3 beds per thousand while US has 2.8 beds per thousand. Wuhan built 2 additional hospitals in 2 weeks. Even so, most patients were sent to gymnasiums to sleep on cots. Early on no one had info on COVID-19. So China reacted in a way unique modern history, except in wartime. Every few years there seems another: SARS, Ebola, MERS, H1N1, COVID-19. Growing strains of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Are we in the twilight of a century of medicine’s great triumph over infectious disease? "We’ve been in a back and forth battle against viruses for a million years." But it would sure help if every country would shut down their wet markets. As with many things, the worst impact of COVID-19 will likely be in the countries with the least resources, eg Africa. See article on Wired magazine on sequencing of virus from Cambodia 5 Link to comment
Published on March 12, 2020 Dr. Jordan Shlain, M.D.Follow Like66 Comment5 Share0 University of California, San Francisco BioHub Panel on COVID-19 March 10, 2020 Panelists Joe DeRisi: UCSF’s top infectious disease researcher. Co-president of ChanZuckerberg BioHub (a JV involving UCSF / Berkeley / Stanford). Co-inventor of the chip used in SARS epidemic. Emily Crawford: COVID task force director. Focused on diagnostics Cristina Tato: Rapid Response Director. Immunologist. Patrick Ayescue: Leading outbreak response and surveillance. Epidemiologist. Chaz Langelier: UCSF Infectious Disease doc What’s below are essentially direct quotes from the panelists. I bracketed the few things that are not quotes. Top takeaways At this point, we are past containment. Containment is basically futile. Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number who get infected in the US. Now we’re just trying to slow the spread, to help healthcare providers deal with the demand peak. In other words, the goal of containment is to "flatten the curve", to lower the peak of the surge of demand that will hit healthcare providers. And to buy time, in hopes a drug can be developed. How many in the community already have the virus? No one knows. We are moving from containment to care. We in the US are currently where at where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different. 40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population. [We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.] The fatality rate is in the range of 10X flu. This assumes no drug is found effective and made available. The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. [See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.] Don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did I can only tell you two things definitively. Definitively it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And we'll be dealing with this for the next year at least. Our lives are going to look different for the next year. What should we do now? What are you doing for your family? Appears one can be infectious before being symptomatic. We don’t know how infectious before symptomatic, but know that highest level of virus prevalence coincides with symptoms. We currently think folks are infectious 2 days before through 14 days after onset of symptoms (T-2 to T+14 onset). How long does the virus last? On surfaces, best guess is 4-20 hours depending on surface type (maybe a few days) but still no consensus on this The virus is very susceptible to common anti-bacterial cleaning agents: bleach, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol-based. Avoid concerts, movies, crowded places. We have cancelled business travel. Do the basic hygiene, eg hand washing and avoiding touching face. Stockpile your critical prescription medications. Many pharma supply chains run through China. Pharma companies usually hold 2-3 months of raw materials, so may run out given the disruption in China’s manufacturing. Pneumonia shot might be helpful. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous. Get a flu shot next fall. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous. We would say “Anyone over 60 stay at home unless it’s critical”. CDC toyed with idea of saying anyone over 60 not travel on commercial airlines. We at UCSF are moving our “at-risk” parents back from nursing homes, etc. to their own homes. Then are not letting them out of the house. The other members of the family are washing hands the moment they come in. Three routes of infection Hand to mouth / face Aerosol transmission Fecal oral route What if someone is sick? If someone gets sick, have them stay home and socially isolate. There is very little you can do at a hospital that you couldn’t do at home. Most cases are mild. But if they are old or have lung or cardio-vascular problems, read on. If someone gets quite sick who is old (70+) or with lung or cardio-vascular problems, take them to the ER. There is no accepted treatment for COVID-19. The hospital will give supportive care (eg IV fluids, oxygen) to help you stay alive while your body fights the disease. ie to prevent sepsis. If someone gets sick who is high risk (eg is both old and has lung/cardio-vascular problems), you can try to get them enrolled for “compassionate use" of Remdesivir, a drug that is in clinical trial at San Francisco General and UCSF, and in China. Need to find a doc there in order to ask to enroll. Remdesivir is an anti-viral from Gilead that showed effectiveness against MERS in primates and is being tried against COVID-19. If the trials succeed it might be available for next winter as production scales up far faster for drugs than for vaccines. [More I found online.] Why is the fatality rate much higher for older adults? Your immune system declines past age 50 Fatality rate tracks closely with “co-morbidity”, ie the presence of other conditions that compromise the patient’s hearth, especially respiratory or cardio-vascular illness. These conditions are higher in older adults. Risk of pneumonia is higher in older adults. What about testing to know if someone has COVID-19? Bottom line, there is not enough testing capacity to be broadly useful. Here’s why. Currently, there is no way to determine what a person has other than a PCR test. No other test can yet distinguish "COVID-19 from flu or from the other dozen respiratory bugs that are circulating”. A Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test can detect COVID-19’s RNA. However they still don’t have confidence in the test’s specificity, ie they don’t know the rate of false negatives. The PCR test requires kits with reagents and requires clinical labs to process the kits. While the kits are becoming available, the lab capacity is not growing. The leading clinical lab firms, Quest and Labcore have capacity to process 1000 kits per day. For the nation. Expanding processing capacity takes “time, space, and equipment.” And certification. ie it won’t happen soon. UCSF and UCBerkeley have donated their research labs to process kits. But each has capacity to process only 20-40 kits per day. And are not clinically certified. Novel test methods are on the horizon, but not here now and won’t be at any scale to be useful for the present danger. How well is society preparing for the impact? Local hospitals are adding capacity as we speak. UCSF’s Parnassus campus has erected “triage tents” in a parking lot. They have converted a ward to “negative pressure” which is needed to contain the virus. They are considering re-opening the shuttered Mt Zion facility. If COVID-19 affected children then we would be seeing mass departures of families from cities. But thankfully now we know that kids are not affected. School closures are one the biggest societal impacts. We need to be thoughtful before we close schools, especially elementary schools because of the knock-on effects. If elementary kids are not in school then some hospital staff can’t come to work, which decreases hospital capacity at a time of surging demand for hospital services. Public Health systems are prepared to deal with short-term outbreaks that last for weeks, like an outbreak of meningitis. They do not have the capacity to sustain for outbreaks that last for months. Other solutions will have to be found. What will we do to handle behavior changes that can last for months? Many employees will need to make accommodations for elderly parents and those with underlying conditions and immune-suppressed. Kids home due to school closures [Dr. DeRisi had to leave the meeting for a call with the governor’s office. When he returned we asked what the call covered.] The epidemiological models the state is using to track and trigger action. The state is planning at what point they will take certain actions. ie what will trigger an order to cease any gatherings of over 1000 people. Where do you find reliable news? The John Hopkins Center for Health Security site. Which posts daily updates. The site says you can sign up to receive a daily newsletter on COVID-19 by email. [I tried and the page times out due to high demand. After three more tries I was successful in registering for the newsletter.] The New York Times is good on scientific accuracy. Observations on China Unlike during SARS, China’s scientists are publishing openly and accurately on COVID-19. While China’s early reports on incidence were clearly low, that seems to trace to their data management systems being overwhelmed, not to any bad intent. Wuhan has 4.3 beds per thousand while US has 2.8 beds per thousand. Wuhan built 2 additional hospitals in 2 weeks. Even so, most patients were sent to gymnasiums to sleep on cots. Early on no one had info on COVID-19. So China reacted in a way unique modern history, except in wartime. Every few years there seems another: SARS, Ebola, MERS, H1N1, COVID-19. Growing strains of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Are we in the twilight of a century of medicine’s great triumph over infectious disease? "We’ve been in a back and forth battle against viruses for a million years." But it would sure help if every country would shut down their wet markets. As with many things, the worst impact of COVID-19 will likely be in the countries with the least resources, eg Africa. See article on Wired magazine on sequencing of virus from Cambodia
dogmom4 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 So, I started feel sick after work last Thursday. We’ve had lots of fever and cough rolling through our center for weeks. I can pretty much pin point the child who coughed right in my face and I wasn’t fast enough to turn away. Started out with fever and extreme tiredness that came on very fast. By Friday morning the coughing started...I have asthma so I started using my long term inhaler as well as my emergency one. Didn’t help. This is the kind of coughing where you’re gasping for air. Kaiser did not want want me coming in...follow flu protocols. I did. The fever started going away by late Saturday but I woke up Sunday morning having a coughing fit where i had this momentary feeling of drowning because I was trying to cough up liquid but couldn’t get it up. Used my emergency inhaler and did deep breathing to calm down. Got a phone appointment to get put on steroids...which have helped. I’ve been home from work all week and was planning to go back tomorrow but because of new county regulations I cant go back until I’m symptom free for 72 hours. Still coughing. I sat in on a staff meeting today via conference call and learned there is another teacher out and two paras out sick as well...as well as multiple children...all same symptoms....and no one is getting tested because the one way to get tested in California is pretty much to be on your death bed. Our district has decided to keep schools open but cancel events....I think it’s a stupid choice because if the older staff starts getting sick...who’s going to run the schools? Right now my focus is on getting better...if it was the Covid virus (Or not)it was hard and fast...and I’m still very tired...and I know my lung capacity is not back to what it was. 8 Link to comment
Jeepers Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Kinda glad to hear about Disney World closing. D-ex is taking son, DIL and grandson there's for his 4th. birthday. It isn't until July but it's still been on my mind. Dogmom4 Mt. Rider's 3 1 Link to comment
Mt_Rider Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Dogmom!!! So glad you got thru the worst of it! for continued healing. Good you get to rest longer! As for those notes in the post above.......... um....... Major Difficulties INDEED! More like.....SHOCK! My parents.....how do they ever survive months of this? And actually......I am not doubting what these folks are concluding. It's happened before like this. But I haven't been able to keep my folks home even yet! I'm coaching over the phone! Can't even mix with them until DH and I have been isolated and THEY have been isolated for a period of time....IS IT STILL 14 DAYS? Allegedly no COVID in our county yet but ....really, who knows? If you're not being tested after a sick-siege like that , Dogmom, how are we in CO being tested? They have a Drive-Up testing facility in Denver now....WITH a doctor's permission to be tested. Folks wait in their vehicles but today's line didn't finish. They get first priority tomorrow. When do they have to have guards to keep the line civilized? How long can anyone stay isolated if they need the paycheck? How long can stores stay open....if they don't sell vital goods? [our DD2/SIL's store] A moratorium on mortgage payments? Rents? Utilities? How do utilities stay operational if SO many are sick? Ahem.....this has NOT been good bedtime reading for us out here in the Western Time Zones. The rest of y'all will pick this up in your morning. Wow. Not like we didn't know of this potential once the genie got out of the bottle. OKAY....now I'm thinking about a greenhouse up here by the house and FRESH GARDEN SEEDS. Cuz .....well, I'm just not one to sit down and not TRY. We've been building up health with fresh veg/fruit. We'll have to keep up somehow. I have even given up dairy to see if it will cut down on my sinus congestion. I'm coughing way too much......like the bronchitis isn't completely gone. Drat that stuff! And I want my ducks back! Must go on....however we can. MtRider .....for as long as God gives us. 3 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Should have already gone to HI, right? Dragging them with you. 2 Link to comment
Ambergris Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, dogmom4 said: So, I started feel sick after work last Thursday. We’ve had lots of fever and cough rolling through our center for weeks. I can pretty much pin point the child who coughed right in my face and I wasn’t fast enough to turn away. Started out with fever and extreme tiredness that came on very fast. By Friday morning the coughing started...I have asthma so I started using my long term inhaler as well as my emergency one. Didn’t help. This is the kind of coughing where you’re gasping for air. Kaiser did not want want me coming in...follow flu protocols. I did. The fever started going away by late Saturday but I woke up Sunday morning having a coughing fit where i had this momentary feeling of drowning because I was trying to cough up liquid but couldn’t get it up. Used my emergency inhaler and did deep breathing to calm down. Got a phone appointment to get put on steroids...which have helped. I’ve been home from work all week and was planning to go back tomorrow but because of new county regulations I cant go back until I’m symptom free for 72 hours. Still coughing. I sat in on a staff meeting today via conference call and learned there is another teacher out and two paras out sick as well...as well as multiple children...all same symptoms....and no one is getting tested because the one way to get tested in California is pretty much to be on your death bed. Our district has decided to keep schools open but cancel events....I think it’s a stupid choice because if the older staff starts getting sick...who’s going to run the schools? Right now my focus is on getting better...if it was the Covid virus (Or not)it was hard and fast...and I’m still very tired...and I know my lung capacity is not back to what it was. Be very careful. The anecdotal evidence of this coming back, and being worse on the second visit, is quite scary. 5 Link to comment
Littlesister Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Dogmom still keeping you in I don't like the sound of what you described there. Praying still that you are getting better. This virus is not going to play well with us older folks. Keep the faith as that is all we have to keep us from this mess we are in. Ambergris is right this stuff hits a second time it will be worse. Wish they would close the schools down. Hopefully that will happen soon before you are well enough to go back to work. 3 Link to comment
dogmom4 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Yes I read about the possibility of it coming back a second time. Scary. I just saw a work email pop up saying my district is having an emergency school board meeting at 9am. Hoping they make the right choice and close things down. I just heard that two more teachers are out sick at a different school. 3 Link to comment
Annarchy Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Confirmed cases in our county. We have major detention facilities here, and most of the population works for them, or has family that do. LOL, yeah, TP shortage? A customer came over & gave us a package of tissues, saying everywhere he stopped they were out of TP. It was meant as a joke, due to the panic. We are taking every precaution, praying, and trusting God. for everyone... 4 Link to comment
snapshotmiki Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I had said yesterday that we are taking the half teaspoon baking soda and water AND ZINC. Incorrect! Zinc keeps it from replicating so we won't take that unless we do get sick. Just baking soda and water which we did start this morning. Found this on another website and makes sense to me. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Dogmom4, I hope you are feeling better and that it doesn't come back! 3 Link to comment
Jeepers Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Be careful with the baking soda. It's extreme!y high in sodium. 1 1 Link to comment
snapshotmiki Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jeepers said: Be careful with the baking soda. It's extreme!y high in sodium. Thanks! Neither one of us have HBP or use salt or eat processed food. Will definitely limit it to half a teaspoon a day with the water! Link to comment
Ambergris Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 15,113 Italy 11,364 Iran 7,979 Korea, South 4,334 Spain 3,156 Germany 2,882 France 1,268 US [this does not include several missing states] 1,125 Switzerland 809 Sweden 804 Netherlands 788 Denmark 750 Norway 696 Cruise Ship 639 Japan 556 Belgium 302 Austria 262 Qatar 197 Malaysia 189 Bahrain 187 Singapore 157 Israel 155 Finland 151 Brazil 133 Greece 117 Czechia 112 Portugal 103 Iceland 89 Slovenia 85 United Arab Emirates 81 India 80 Kuwait 80 Egypt 79 Iraq 77 Lebanon 75 Thailand 70 Romania 70 Ireland 69 San Marino 69 Indonesia 62 Saudi Arabia 58 Poland 52 Philippines 50 Taiwan* 47 Vietnam 45 Russia 43 Chile 41 Estonia 33 Albania 31 Croatia 31 Serbia 30 Slovakia 27 Panama 27 Belarus 26 Luxembourg 26 Algeria 24 South Africa 24 Georgia 23 Bulgaria 23 Costa Rica 22 Peru 21 Argentina 21 Pakistan 19 Cyprus 19 Hungary 18 Oman 17 Ecuador 17 Latvia 15 Azerbaijan 13 Bosnia and Herzegovina 13 Colombia 12 Malta 12 Mexico 11 Brunei 8 Maldives 8 Jamaica 8 Armenia 7 North Macedonia 7 Tunisia 6 Lithuania 6 Morocco 5 Cambodia 5 French Guiana 5 New Zealand 5 Dominican Republic 5 Reunion 5 Senegal 5 Paraguay 5 Sri Lanka 3 Bangladesh 3 Cuba 3 Ukraine 3 Moldova 3 Martinique 3 United Kingdom 2 Bolivia 2 Cameroon 2 Burkina Faso 2 Congo (Kinshasa) 2 Turkey 2 Nigeria 2 Kazakhstan 2 Honduras 1 Ethiopia 1 Kenya 1 Mongolia 1 Togo 1 Guinea 1 Andorra 1 Australia 1 Bhutan 1 Sudan 1 Nepal 1 Cayman Islands 1 Holy See 1 Cote d'Ivoire 1 Guadeloupe US breakdown 457 confirmed Washington 328 confirmed New York 108 confirmed Massachusetts 46 confirmed Diamond Princess 32 confirmed Illinois 29 confirmed New Jersey 22 confirmed Pennsylvania 21 confirmed Grand Princess 19 confirmed Louisiana 18 confirmed Tennessee 18 confirmed Virginia 17 confirmed North Carolina 16 confirmed Iowa 13 confirmed Indiana 12 confirmed Maryland 12 confirmed South Carolina 11 confirmed Nevada 10 confirmed District of Columbia 9 confirmed Arizona 9 confirmed Minnesota 8 confirmed South Dakota 8 confirmed Wisconsin 6 confirmed Arkansas 6 confirmed New Hampshire 5 confirmed Connecticut 5 confirmed Ohio 5 confirmed Rhode Island 5 confirmed Utah 2 confirmed Hawaii 2 confirmed Missouri 2 confirmed Oklahoma 2 confirmed Vermont 1 confirmed Maine 1 confirmed Mississippi 1 confirmed Montana 1 confirmed North Dakota 1 confirmed Wyoming March 13, 1 p.m. Eastern update, latest information available at 5:50 p.m. Eastern Yes, I noticed some states are missing. Florida has somewhere between 45 and 56 confirmed cases, but is not on this list. Edited March 14, 2020 by Ambergris 1 1 Link to comment
dogmom4 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 So my district has decided to close our schools until April 12. Lot of panicked people in my area. 4 Link to comment
out_of_the_ordinary Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Pennsylvania closed schools for the next 2 weeks. 4 Link to comment
euphrasyne Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Virginia closed schools for the next 2 weeks. 3 Link to comment
Littlesister Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Not only has VA closed schools for 2 weeks. We just shut down our food ministry for next Thursday. Only the 3 members of our church will be getting food. Also they are talking now about closing the Church for the next 2 Sundays. 4 in that area have already closed. One of DH's class mates who also work in food ministry with me, said he went to Walmart and all he could get was 4 cans of potatoes and a gal. of milk. No bread, no cleaning supplies, nothing. I was just at my next door neighbor's house to give her a canned food guide on how long canned goods last that I have from our main food bank. Gave her one for our other neighbor as well. She was shocked that canned goods and other things went that far past the expiration dates. Canned veggies and soups can go from 4 to 5 years past the date depending on how it is stored. She said she was throwing it out past one year. She won't do that now. Reminded her about bulging and leaking cans as well. Do not open those. Put them in a plastic grocery bag and throw in trash. My next door neighbor was in our Walmart and she said they had pallets of food and couldn't get it on the shelf. People were pulling it off the pallets. Harris Teeter was a joke when I went to pick up his last med that had to be transferred from the old pharm. I got the RX and took off. No parking as I had to drive around twice before I could get a parking spot. This just goes to show that preppers are not crazy, they ARE the smart ones. Buying a little extra each month and having a garden and canning your food is now paying off. We don't have to fight those crowds. 7 Link to comment
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